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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
		<link>http://foreman.blogs.topgear.com/2008/11/19/gm-dead-within-weeks/#comment-2943</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RJP_UK</title>
		<link>http://foreman.blogs.topgear.com/2008/11/19/gm-dead-within-weeks/#comment-1342</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just returned from my first trip to North America - Maritime Canada- Hired a Chrysler Cebring. Nice car, nice finish, automatic - all the bells and whistles - BUT after one week I wanted my (Diesel) Ford Mondeo back!! Gas/Petrol half the price of Europe but the car used twice as much as my Mondeo. Crazy that in these times of the USA (and Canada?)wanting to reduce dependancy on Oil imports that the potential to produce cars that use half the gas, has not been rammed home by Government OR the big vehicle producers in the states. Are there so many ostriches that no one  managed to see what was coming over the horizon?! I don&#039;t think we Brits have much to write about when it comes to producing the cars that people want, however so called Market Forces have resulted in a clear out taking place and dominance by foreign brands that on the whole produce what we want.  

We are ALL however our worst enemies. The Press have been pounding us with bad news for maybe 4&gt;6 months and the more bad news there is the more persuaded we all are to change our buying habits. As pointed out on a programme I was listening to the other day, the vast majority of people have NOT seen anything to effect them yet - so try and watch less TV and read less newspapers - we would all be happier! 

Having said all that the fact is we are in a &#039;crunch&#039; situation. IF a company is needing state support then the current managers at the least should falll on their swords. Happened to one or two bankers here but not enough! 

What do you do with a company that produces something no one wants, would take years to turn the corner but would cost an arm and a leg if allowed to fail, also?

I think on balance that the big 3 should be allowed funding BUT selective lines should be closed down and they should be managed downwards to a smaller base. Other parts should be sold off and whatever is left should be managed (properly) until self sufficient. 

Jeesh - who would like to make the call?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just returned from my first trip to North America &#8211; Maritime Canada- Hired a Chrysler Cebring. Nice car, nice finish, automatic &#8211; all the bells and whistles &#8211; BUT after one week I wanted my (Diesel) Ford Mondeo back!! Gas/Petrol half the price of Europe but the car used twice as much as my Mondeo. Crazy that in these times of the USA (and Canada?)wanting to reduce dependancy on Oil imports that the potential to produce cars that use half the gas, has not been rammed home by Government OR the big vehicle producers in the states. Are there so many ostriches that no one  managed to see what was coming over the horizon?! I don&#8217;t think we Brits have much to write about when it comes to producing the cars that people want, however so called Market Forces have resulted in a clear out taking place and dominance by foreign brands that on the whole produce what we want.  </p>
<p>We are ALL however our worst enemies. The Press have been pounding us with bad news for maybe 4&gt;6 months and the more bad news there is the more persuaded we all are to change our buying habits. As pointed out on a programme I was listening to the other day, the vast majority of people have NOT seen anything to effect them yet &#8211; so try and watch less TV and read less newspapers &#8211; we would all be happier! </p>
<p>Having said all that the fact is we are in a &#8216;crunch&#8217; situation. IF a company is needing state support then the current managers at the least should falll on their swords. Happened to one or two bankers here but not enough! </p>
<p>What do you do with a company that produces something no one wants, would take years to turn the corner but would cost an arm and a leg if allowed to fail, also?</p>
<p>I think on balance that the big 3 should be allowed funding BUT selective lines should be closed down and they should be managed downwards to a smaller base. Other parts should be sold off and whatever is left should be managed (properly) until self sufficient. </p>
<p>Jeesh &#8211; who would like to make the call?!</p>
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		<title>By: 573W1E</title>
		<link>http://foreman.blogs.topgear.com/2008/11/19/gm-dead-within-weeks/#comment-1256</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saab 9-5 Aero. And thats just one of them</description>
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		<title>By: h44r</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All athere cars are rubbish give me an example of a good one</description>
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		<title>By: meow</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if (more like when) gm collapse it would do a world of good for the industry but i cant help feeling sorry for all the people being put out of work.

ford should not die. they did a great job on the mondeo and to be honest they have on most of their other cars. we have had loads of them and all have been really good. i wonder if that money they put away would be enough..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if (more like when) gm collapse it would do a world of good for the industry but i cant help feeling sorry for all the people being put out of work.</p>
<p>ford should not die. they did a great job on the mondeo and to be honest they have on most of their other cars. we have had loads of them and all have been really good. i wonder if that money they put away would be enough..</p>
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		<title>By: Puertorrican!</title>
		<link>http://foreman.blogs.topgear.com/2008/11/19/gm-dead-within-weeks/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Puertorrican!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came from a Dodge dealer and one of my friend there tell me that Cerberus told everybody that they will not be  a Chrysler Dodge,Jeep shut down. The money they have been asking for, is primary for GM and Ford and that they will recieve just a lesser amount. Now they have to do something about UAW and fire those filthy executives and restart from point B  not A but B  the new world but keeping history of the company.  Example  new super efficient cars,better build quality and some of the Damn good beautifull heart pounding muscle cars from each one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came from a Dodge dealer and one of my friend there tell me that Cerberus told everybody that they will not be  a Chrysler Dodge,Jeep shut down. The money they have been asking for, is primary for GM and Ford and that they will recieve just a lesser amount. Now they have to do something about UAW and fire those filthy executives and restart from point B  not A but B  the new world but keeping history of the company.  Example  new super efficient cars,better build quality and some of the Damn good beautifull heart pounding muscle cars from each one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that GM will suddenly close it&#039;s doors is incorrect. I think the media and concerned parties have thrown out the 3 million lost jobs number as a scare tactic to pass a bailout. I think it is entirely unfair to use fear to pry money out of taxpayer hands. If GM were to go under, it would re-organize through bankruptcy, meaning that some of it&#039;s assets would be sold off and it&#039;s contracts, including labor contracts with the auto workers union (UAW) would likely be reviewed and re-negotiated.

This may be the best long term outcome for GM, as the labor contracts it&#039;s given the UAW have been a weight around it&#039;s neck for years (google &quot;UAW Job Bank&quot; for an example). The UAW has been bending the big three over and now it is coming back to haunt them. Some of the most vocal proponents for the bailout have come from the union leadership, who have been completely unwilling to give an inch, even if it means the destruction of Detriot as we know it. To top this, the UAW was a major campaign contributor to Pres. Elect Obama, who had consistently been pro-union. Combine this with his more socialist / anti-free market views, and I would expect a bailout, even though I personally don&#039;t feel it is right

Democratic Senate leadership has also mentioned regulating how the potential bailout money may be used. I don&#039;t know what is more anti-free market, giving a bailout in the first place, or government telling a public company how to use it&#039;s revenue. One of the things mentioned is more &quot;green&quot; products from Detroit. I&#039;m all for saving the environment, but if these technologies aren&#039;t profitable for the auto makers, these regulations will ensure that we will revisit this whole problem in a couple of years. Instead of a bunch of truck and SUV that Detroit can&#039;t sell, they will have dug their grave with hybrids. 

While I agree that top leadership has been incompetent, they gave the American public what that wanted (trucks &amp; SUVs), while conveniently making a hansom profit for their shareholders. As was mentioned in prior posts, it was a &quot;get while the gettin&#039;s good&quot; attitude. Maybe they should have seen the writing on the wall, but that can be said for a great many financial disasters over the past few years (tech and housing bubble&#039;s for example). 

Bottom line, Detroit&#039;s leadership knew the UAW&#039;s hand was in their pocket the whole time and didn&#039;t care. They both should be ashamed of themselves. They both suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that GM will suddenly close it&#8217;s doors is incorrect. I think the media and concerned parties have thrown out the 3 million lost jobs number as a scare tactic to pass a bailout. I think it is entirely unfair to use fear to pry money out of taxpayer hands. If GM were to go under, it would re-organize through bankruptcy, meaning that some of it&#8217;s assets would be sold off and it&#8217;s contracts, including labor contracts with the auto workers union (UAW) would likely be reviewed and re-negotiated.</p>
<p>This may be the best long term outcome for GM, as the labor contracts it&#8217;s given the UAW have been a weight around it&#8217;s neck for years (google &#8220;UAW Job Bank&#8221; for an example). The UAW has been bending the big three over and now it is coming back to haunt them. Some of the most vocal proponents for the bailout have come from the union leadership, who have been completely unwilling to give an inch, even if it means the destruction of Detriot as we know it. To top this, the UAW was a major campaign contributor to Pres. Elect Obama, who had consistently been pro-union. Combine this with his more socialist / anti-free market views, and I would expect a bailout, even though I personally don&#8217;t feel it is right</p>
<p>Democratic Senate leadership has also mentioned regulating how the potential bailout money may be used. I don&#8217;t know what is more anti-free market, giving a bailout in the first place, or government telling a public company how to use it&#8217;s revenue. One of the things mentioned is more &#8220;green&#8221; products from Detroit. I&#8217;m all for saving the environment, but if these technologies aren&#8217;t profitable for the auto makers, these regulations will ensure that we will revisit this whole problem in a couple of years. Instead of a bunch of truck and SUV that Detroit can&#8217;t sell, they will have dug their grave with hybrids. </p>
<p>While I agree that top leadership has been incompetent, they gave the American public what that wanted (trucks &amp; SUVs), while conveniently making a hansom profit for their shareholders. As was mentioned in prior posts, it was a &#8220;get while the gettin&#8217;s good&#8221; attitude. Maybe they should have seen the writing on the wall, but that can be said for a great many financial disasters over the past few years (tech and housing bubble&#8217;s for example). </p>
<p>Bottom line, Detroit&#8217;s leadership knew the UAW&#8217;s hand was in their pocket the whole time and didn&#8217;t care. They both should be ashamed of themselves. They both suck.</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewBrewster</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it makes sense for the US government to save these jobs. But just handing over bundles of cash to them to throw away is wrong and i sure hope that if they go through with this package then the consequence is that the government takes some level of control over them, if not total control. Some capacity, and therefore some jobs, need to be axed becuase it&#039;s simple fact there is immense over-capacity. So if they take control of the big 3 auto companies they need to merge them together to take on the foreign brands. And employ someone smart and forward-thinking to oversee the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it makes sense for the US government to save these jobs. But just handing over bundles of cash to them to throw away is wrong and i sure hope that if they go through with this package then the consequence is that the government takes some level of control over them, if not total control. Some capacity, and therefore some jobs, need to be axed becuase it&#8217;s simple fact there is immense over-capacity. So if they take control of the big 3 auto companies they need to merge them together to take on the foreign brands. And employ someone smart and forward-thinking to oversee the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Fakuryu</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big 3 does not deserve a bail out. When they were still trying to figure out how to make their SUVs bigger and bigger, the Japanese gave us the RAV4, Forrester and the CRV. It may be smaller but they are way better in terms of quality. When the big 3 were developing bigger, faster, more powerful engines; the Europeans were developing, faster, more powerful and economical DIESEL engines. What I am trying to say is, bailing them out is just a waste of money since they are just too far behind. It takes years to develop a good car and years to perfect an engine. They are so in love with their big V8 while companies like Subaru developed a BOXER DIESEL. Subaru is no where as big as any of them, and their global output just puts them in the middle of the pack but how come they can develop a great engine like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big 3 does not deserve a bail out. When they were still trying to figure out how to make their SUVs bigger and bigger, the Japanese gave us the RAV4, Forrester and the CRV. It may be smaller but they are way better in terms of quality. When the big 3 were developing bigger, faster, more powerful engines; the Europeans were developing, faster, more powerful and economical DIESEL engines. What I am trying to say is, bailing them out is just a waste of money since they are just too far behind. It takes years to develop a good car and years to perfect an engine. They are so in love with their big V8 while companies like Subaru developed a BOXER DIESEL. Subaru is no where as big as any of them, and their global output just puts them in the middle of the pack but how come they can develop a great engine like that?</p>
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		<title>By: spider pig</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the astra, corsa, zafira, mariva, tigra, insignia, monaro, vxr8, fiesta, focus, c max, s max, galaxy, ford gt these are all good cars, gm europe and ford europe make good cars, its the us market that lets these companys down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the astra, corsa, zafira, mariva, tigra, insignia, monaro, vxr8, fiesta, focus, c max, s max, galaxy, ford gt these are all good cars, gm europe and ford europe make good cars, its the us market that lets these companys down.</p>
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