Citroen: so mad it might just work

Posted by Paul Horrell at 12:22 pm on Friday February 6, 2009

DS InsideDespite dozens of attempts, Citroen hasn’t successfully launched a posh car in decades. Now it wants to launch a whole range of them right into the teeth of the most vicious downturn in living memory. Sounds bonkers. So mad, I have a suspicion it could just work.

Here’s the skinny. At the Geneva show in March, the company will launch a concept called the DS Inside. This is a near-production version of a car that’ll hit showrooms next year, badged DS3. On the surface it’s a smart, unconventional-looking three-door supermini. Underneath is the conventional platform of a Peugeot 207 and next-gen Citroen C3.

Nice isn’t it? Clearly it isn’t meant to be a regular supermini. In fact it will sell alongside the new C3 rather than displacing it from Citroen’s line-up. It won’t have a five-door option, or the usual supermini emphasis on practicality. It’s more of a sort of upright coupe. For instance, anyone in the back will have their view blocked by that side pillar, but hey it looks good.

The real car, to be called the Citroen DS3, will be a bit more expensive than regular Citroens, but the company isn’t daft in its ambitions. It will be sold at existing Citroen dealerships and it’ll be usefully cheaper than a Mini or the upcoming Audi A1. Compared with the C3 it will more equipment and (if it isn’t to be laughed out of court) better perceived quality and finish.

Before about 2011, it will be joined by a DS4 and DS5. They’ll use C4 and C5 platforms respectively and again they’ll be additional to the existing C4 and C5 models rather than replacements.

Hypnos conceptThere’s talk inside Citroen that the DS5 will take inspiration from the Hypnos concept. That was a tall but incredibly sleek diesel-hybrid crossover.

This whole sub-brand thing has been a relatively quick project, instigated by Christian Streiff. Streiff took over as boss of Peugeot Citroen only a year and a half ago, and has already shaken up the group to save money and improve quality and the sometimes-lousy dealers and marketing. He could see that Citroen’s image was sagging badly.

He could also see that it needn’t be that way. Citroen’s fundamentals are strong.

C-CactusAfter all, as we blogged here, Citroen’s designers are on fire. The cars look terrific. The range is being renewed vigorously. Look at the C5 and the C3 Picasso. Next year there’ll be a new C3 supermini and shortly after something based on the fabulously clever, minimalist C-Cactus.

There’s some smart technology too. Citroen has been at the leading edge of affordable low-CO2 diesel tech, and was among the first to bring in fixed-hub steering wheel, lane departure warning, stop-and-start, and affordable paddleshifts. And they’re still developing Hydractive suspension on the big cars.

The DS cars might well be the vehicles in which Citroen launches its next wave of technologies. For instance, the Hypnos concept has the group’s clever prototype 4WD diesel hybrid system.

The original DSBut no, they’ll never be as high-tech as the original DS. That launched in 1955 and was an absolute moon-shot car – possibly the biggest step in design and engineering in the history of the automobile.

You might think that plundering the DS name is a ghastly rape of heritage. Yes, I too would prefer they didn’t use that badge. But I have a feeling the decision to make the new generation of DS cars at a relatively small premium, with distinctive but not shocking design, might be right for these nervous times.

At least Citroen is pushing ahead with developing new cars, not just hunkering down. That way when the recession’s over it should be in a stronger position than its rivals.

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  1. UGA said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 1:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    As long as Citroen is being crazy, perhaps they would consider a relaunch into N. America.

  2. C J said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I love it. Okay, so it may not look like a DS, but we can wait for the DS5 (supposedly based on the Hypnos concept) for that. In terms of styling, this is a MINI beater!! Truly innovative.

  3. catersam said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 1:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Are these going to be luxurious, or just really heavy (from high specs) and crap?

  4. Paul Horrell said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Catersam, if I knew the answer to that I’d have told you in the blog. FWIW my betting is this: they’ll be little heavier than regular Citroens, and slightly better to drive. Just as an Audi A3 is slightly better to drive than the corresponding Skoda Octavia. Oh wait a minute, it isn’t.

  5. svrallo svrallone said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 2:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    nice. it looks like they put together the best bit of other cars. This mean that you can buy other car, and that’s nice too ;-)
    citroen has made many important things about car tech but it’s a lot that they aren’t leading in technological evolution. yes they made the wrc c4 but even lancia made the integrale and they were more moneyless.
    start and stop was a VW thing at the beginning, and little diesel=fiat.

  6. Ash said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 2:15 pm Link to comment Report comment

    For a car to be posh, it needs to have an air of expense about it, needs to be very well built and needs to have some sort of power. After all, in a straight line even Rolls Royces – battleships that they are – will dust a lot of cars on britain’s roads.

    Citroens typically have none of these.

    If they want to get posh they need to start with cars that are ‘classy yet classless’. MkV Golf for example. Not exactly a bentley, but my ever-so-posh nan had one (before getting a new Mondeo).

    Ultimately it just needs to be a GOOD car, good looking, and not look like it was made on a budget. Renault has done this with the new Laguna. What can Citroen offer?

  7. orandzh said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 2:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    there are rumours that they will fit the hydractive suspension to the full DS line. I think, however, even this is the case they would also fit the regular springs..

  8. svrallo svrallone said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 2:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hydraulics on city car would be just stupid. They weight, cost and are big. fitting them will spoil completely the car. It’s more reasonable making a good specific set up like sport renaults (well renault make sport crisps set up, but in this case i’m speaking about comfort).

  9. Lee said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ash you have clearly not even seen let alone been in a Citroen lately.

    I have a Citroen C5 Tourer (my first Citroen) and it is much better quality that either the new shape Mondeo it replaced or previous VW’s. It looks great to the degree that I often have people coming up to me and asking questions/admiring it. It is very refined and comfortable with perhaps the only downside being that it isn’t very sporting. But not everybody wants sports. All that brings in the real world to most cars is an uncomfortable ride.

    Citroen has finally got some top quality cars in place with the C3/C4 Piccasso’s, C5 and C6. It just needs to get that message across to the public. The DS might just do that.

  10. Anonymous said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 3:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If Citroen can’t make a success of the brilliant C6 given all the much loved historical cues they packed into the design and marketing, what chance do they have of selling a luxury car in a sector that traditionally rejects such a thing, if common wisdom would be believed?

    BMW managed to put a dent in such wisdom with the Mini, but what you got was a fantastic car from the ground up and the badge influence of big brother. The supermini sector is absolutely teeming with brilliant designs riding on new chassis at the moment, and the rehash of an old Citroen that was never any great shakes to start with doesn’t inspire confidence.

    The real problem though is that Citroen’s habit of pricing and then knocking down immediately takes the sheen off any impression of luxury, like cheap last-minute cruises advertised in the back of newspapers. You wouldn’t buy one at premium price knowing that it’ll drop through the floor the moment you leave the forecourt.

    Put simply there are lots of variants of Citroen cars already out there that might be considered a step towards premium spec, and they just don’t sell. You’re not going to tempt execs away from german offerings, you’re not going to pull the boy racers/modders out of the C2 camp for something that already looks overdesigned, and you’re definitely not going to attract the fashionistas away from the thriving Fiat catalogue for something that has its origins in a snail-like shopping car.

  11. Tom said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 4:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Sounds to me like a good idea because mini sales are dipping because of the cost of them and if you can supply those who want a quality car like a mini but at a cheaper price citroen will be there.

    This should be the same with the other cars in the range like the quality but expensive car suppliers like volkswagen, BMW, Audi and Mercedes Benz

  12. EuropeanCarFan said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 4:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Badge snobs will still turn there noses up at the badge not being German, and herd themselves like the sheep that they are towards the BMiniW, 116i, 316i, Polo, A1, A3 etc.

  13. blah blah said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The interesting thing about them launching premium cars whilst heading into recession (and possibly the biggest shake up in manufacturing for 60+ years),

    is that citroen have done it before.

    With the old DS.

    The old DS was launched whilst oil prices were astronomical, and whilst no one in europe could afford or need a large touring saloon. It is said that the engine in the DS has to be replaced by a smaller one before launch, because of the tax-horsepower laws.

    Anyway, the DS didnt sell too rapidly over 5- 10years. No one in europe needed one.

    They really are nuts, good luck to them, i love the new design, good to see a braver company.

  14. Ash said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @ lee: No. Wrong. The Mondeo is well-built and has a classy feel because it’s big, the doors are weighty and don’t feel cheap, and the interior’s surprisingly nice for a ford. Same goes for the MkV Golf.

    I used to have a citroen myself (saxo), and have been in a C4. Both felt a bit cheap. Even the C4 felt like it was designed for those who wanted a good but cheap car.

    And the proof is in the pudding – how many posh people do you see driving citroens, compared to those driving mondeos and VWs?

  15. C J said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ash – It would be an absolute disaster if Citroen made a Golf – that car is the exact opposite to what Citroen wants and stands for. The original DS and CX were luxurious cars – people can be so ignorant in terms of what they know about Citroens! And I agree with Lee. Citroen are trying to get back in the new DS line what they had in the 70s – good looks and luxury. The real innovation will come with the DS4 and DS5. and Anonymous – how can you say that the original DS was not a great car?! And also, the new C5 is actually selling rather well. It’s also a very dated concept that ‘everyone will buy german instead’! The original DS came out in 1955 – they sold 5,000 on the first day!

  16. C J said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ash – again – you obviously haven’t seen or been in the latest flock of Citroens. The Saxo was probably their least innovative car (and worst quality, though fun to drive), and the C4 isn’t the best they can do in terms of quality, either. I’d rather have a Citroen C5 over a Mondeo or Passat any day. The latter two are just bland, brash and boring.

  17. C J said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Anyway I still love it :-)

  18. Lee said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Oh dear Ash. The Saxo was just a rehashed 106 and while the C4 isn’t that well built it’s no worse than most.

    I ran a new shape Mondeo for over a year and it was crap. I won’t bore everybody with all the problems it had but if it could fall off it did and it let in more water than my old shed. As for the build quality the C5 feels more substantial than the Mondeo, has none of the hard plastics on the doors like the Mondeo and feels like a cut above the Ford.

    Can I suggest you have a drive in a C5 and then you can make an informed comment rather than basing your knowledge on a mid 90′s supermini.

  19. C J said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Lee – once again, I agree. A lot of people seem to have very dated perceptions of Citroens.

  20. blah blah said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:45 pm Link to comment Report comment

    They didnt sell 5000

    They sold an estimate of 12000 on the first day.

    and it sold something like 700 in the first few hours of the paris motor show.

    However, after the initial rush, of mostly affluent and influential buyers, the DS failed to impact the general public market. It was too expensive in economic tough-times.

    Thats why citroen launched the Citroen ID a couple of years later. A cut price DS, without the features.

    Enough nerd talk now i think.

    I like citroens.

  21. Kuang said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 5:52 pm Link to comment Report comment

    (posted as anonymous before by accident)

    @ C J: I didn’t say that at all so I’m not sure where you’re coming from. I alluded to the original DS via the’much loved historical cues’ present in the current C6 design though.

    The DS and the C6 are just ‘right’ in terms of visual appeal and I love the looks of the Hypnos concept, but I think this a bit too clashy and blunt. There ae too many lines that don’t see to gel with their companions, and the profile view looks like one car trying to drive up the back of another. I do like the rear details, especially in the three quarter view.. as long as it cuts off before that pseudo-pillar. I think it’d look a lot better if they continued that bodyline upwards to meet the sloped roof instead

  22. C J said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 6:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Kuang – sorry, I probably misunderstood. And I know what you mean about the Hypnos – I too was unsure of the amount of lines everywhere, but after seeing it in the metal at the Paris Motorshow, I instantly changed my mind. It looks much better when you see it up close. Sometimes photographs or CGIs don’t do a car’s impact justice. Oh, and Blah Blah – I knew it was something like that, I just couldn’t remember exactly how many they’d sold on its debut. Still, 5,000 would have been pretty impressive anyway. But 12,000 is even better – proves what Citroen are capable of. By the way, anyone who likes Citroens – their showroom on the Champs Elysees in Paris is well worth a visit – absolutely stunning place.

  23. Lee said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 6:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    C J when I’m next in Paris I’ll pay a visit to the showroom. I’m new to Citroen having had numerous other makes including some supposed premium makes and I can say I’ve never been more impressed with a car/ manufacturer as this.

    Well done Citroen.

  24. louise99202 said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ive got tothat ive just seen this evenings national news. what a palarva over nothing. wheres our free speech and sense of humourgone in our country? as a huge fan of jeremys straight talking and hilarious humour( i have all hs books) i just wanted to say….you only say what the majority of us are thinking….thanx and keep it up!!!!!

  25. J. Stevens said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I hope it works, I love the C6 and that flopped big style. It seems a reasonable enough idea, other manufacturers have released coupe-type versions of existing platforms, such as the 6 series, A5, a couple of mercs and the unfathomable but strangely desirable X6 (don’t ask me why but I like it more than I should). Renault is going in the same direction, releasing very attractive but not too practical versions of the Laguna and Megane. As you say, maybe it’s just crazy enough to work…

  26. Sam said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:15 pm Link to comment Report comment

    We’ve got a ’99 Citroen Synergie. The radio’s broke, the electric windows are broke, the speedo’s broke, plenty of hard plastic trim is falling off and I’m always wary that the car’s gonna run out of diesel on the motorway because – you guessed it – the fuel gage is broke.
    Just goes to show how much the quality of Citroens has moved on in 10 years.

  27. tonyb said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:21 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well done Jeremy, even though you had to say sorry, dont ever change. And you are right he is a one eyed scottish idiot.Freedom of speech not any more!!!!

  28. Mikeado said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    That DS3 seems like it should come in Cooper trim. More expensive, less practical, very image-based.

  29. DCM said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    sorry, but I cannot DISAGREE with you more. Clarkson’s comment was completely unnecessary, offensive and totally uncalled for. Who does he think he is insulting the Prime Minister of his own country. Who is next on his list – The Queen. I think not. Carol Thatcher lost her TV reporting position through a lesser comment. Let’s wait and see why fate awaits Clarkson. He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself as any normal, decent living person should be disgusted by his behaviour. Great Britain, a United Kingdom – I think not.

  30. Barnacle bill said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    what on earth are you appologising for Jessa, you missed out the bit about him being a donkey hole and as for mandy backs to the wall boys

  31. T.Osser said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Clarkson is so far up his own backside perhaps he might complete the journey and disappear completely. The BBC has gone to the dogs.Sell it off.

  32. moore said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    well done MR.CLARKSON. or should i say SIR jerramy.say it how it is ……look at the state of our country…

  33. moore said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    dcm .get real….

  34. moore said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 7:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    barncle bill…….u. know…..

  35. moore said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    osser ..sell u. @@@@> off

  36. DCM said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    yep, you sure have plenty to say for yourself Moore – pity none of is makes much sense. Perhaps that exactly why our “country is in the state it is in” – people with your attitude, manners and behaviour only enhance this fact. The will be no “Sir” title for “Jerramy” – infact JEREMY Clarkson should consider himself very fortunate if he even manages to retain his presenting job at all.

  37. moore said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    get real.mate open your eyes. you sad …………………man…look at our countrey….you and me need .mr clarkson

  38. T.Osser said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Com`ere there`s Moore.Well done DCM,couldn`t agree more.

  39. moore said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:30 pm Link to comment Report comment

    osser wher are u from …….?

  40. Jackie Tyler said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Oh dear it seems to have turned into a forum about politics. Loving the new Citroen, though.

  41. moore said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    sorry jackie.and good night…

  42. Junior said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    And BTW, I will personaly add the “Sir” in front of Jerramy’s name from now on when ever I speak his name.

    My hat is off for you Sir Jerramy, keep up the good work.

  43. american idol said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    mondeos and golfs are NOT posh a neither are the ppl who drive them unless you live on a housing estate in which case anything that´ll start without a shuv is posh…

    citroen however, regardless the cheap but with certain age groups very popular crap they´ve produced lately, always had that luxorious flair with their highly advanced suspension, which was only 30 years ahead of say the new merc or 7 series, and funky space-cake/age eccentricity you were surrounded with on the inside.. and the ds and dx were simply dreamy lush, posh, funky simply fantastic !
    if that´s what they´re aiming for here they will def. have a crowd the same way saab and volvo does just to name a couple.
    I´d def luv to see more fun on the roads, getting sick and tyred of golfs and mondeos :D

  44. EuropeanCarFan said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 8:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Noone has mentioned the XM’s place in the DS -> C6 lineage. Nothing looked like it at the time, nothing still does. Close to becoming classic, a rare alternative to a 2nd hand Merc, cheap on ebay. Diesels are bulletproof, sphere changes are as easy as changing oil filters, far from scary.

    JC’s comment has been mentioned. I’ll just say that I yearn for the “work hard, play hard” Tory government compared to today’s benefits culture, criminal lenient nuLaborists. Off topic, lets get back to the Citroens :)

  45. T.Osser said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 9:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    One last word,honest! Don`t lets lose our love for our great country over this.We are going through tough old times, but it a`int all poor old Gordons’ fault even though The British Brainwashing Corporation would have us believing that it is.Careless talk costs livelihoods Auntie.You and Cameron make a good double act,talk about accentuate the negative and eliminate the positive.This country is the dogs wotsits and we will get through this.Oh! and P.S. Sack Clarkson.

  46. american idol said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 9:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps clarkson is cool, likes the joke and if u can´t take it ?? ya know what they say : f.ck ´em if they can´t take a joke ?? haha
    common sense isn´t so common now-a-days
    pitty the fools y´all
    and DCM ..welcome to the free world :D

  47. american idol said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 9:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    t.osser.. ” ..don´t lets lose..” ????? where d´ya go to school m8 ?

    we´re all entitled to an opinion but if you want clarckson sacked what exactly are you doing on a TG blog ? get real puhlease yaaaaa

  48. Junior said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 9:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    No, thats right “American Idol, common sense is getting rather rare these days.

    And if in fact, one day, “Great” Britain will lose it’s RUDE humor… it will have lost it all.

  49. DJ said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 9:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Great looking car! As long as it isn’t too expensive or overpriced…

  50. Kuang said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 10:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    While Citroen are on a mad kick, they should bring out a spiritual successor to the SM. They’ve showed the have the design cojones with the GT concept, and the partnership with Peugeot could bring some major engine tech.. consider a hardcore C6 with a looneytune engine derived from Pug’s HDi Le Mans unit, sorted suspension to get rid of the cross channel ferry cornering and some subtle aero to make the most of that low stance. I’d have one.

  51. american idol said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 10:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    kuang : hear hear :D though preferably not diesel lift the engine from the alfa q8 and it´d be right up there with the best..

  52. Paul Horrell said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 10:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    american idol – while I’ve got your attention, you might be interested to learn we have an automatic swear-catching system on this blog. You’ve made several comments that’ll never see the light because you are too profane. Keep it clean and you’ll get more of an airing. Others take note too, ta.

  53. Charlie said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 11:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Risky. But Citroen does ‘risky’ well, so I’m cautiously optimistic. If the real thing looks anything like that concept, I’m game. Especially after I was disappointed with the MiTo.

  54. Dezza said...
    Friday February 6, 2009 at 11:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    You have to admit they look good!

  55. df said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 12:29 am Link to comment Report comment

    sdfdsfasdf

  56. Vie said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 1:26 am Link to comment Report comment

    Am I the only one who thinks it looks like somebody designed 14 brilliant different cars for various different market niches. Then somebody else came along with a Stanley knife and some wood glue and ripped off the interesting bits and stuck them together in hopes that they would work together even horribly out of scale?

    Its repellent, manages to look bloated, over detailed yet bland and chopped up all at the same time.

    Plus, don’t even get me started on the name, uhg.

  57. DS said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 3:29 am Link to comment Report comment

    Citroen have got their MOJO back!

  58. aussie said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 3:33 am Link to comment Report comment

    the c6 or its replacement – would have to become part DS range, how can they have a premium car in their non-premium regular citroen range

  59. kadajawi said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 4:20 am Link to comment Report comment

    What did Clarkson say? But with all the bonkers anti terrorism laws I tend to agree with him if he criticised the British government. Never, EVER, complain again about human rights in China, England. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    Anyway, that’s not the topic. I don’t really like them using the DS name… at least not when starting with the DS3. A DS5 or DS6 might work, and then extend downwards. But how are they going to explain that the “successor” of the brilliant DS is a Mini rival?

  60. Heavy Right Welly said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 10:56 am Link to comment Report comment

    I feel that citroen are going to classicly do what they have always done i.e be out there in citroen land were the sky is green the grass is blue and the cows whistle from the tree tops selling cars that are crazy mad and ingenious but will fall apart go wrong cost a fortune to maintain after 5 years. for all those only keeping a car for a couple of years don your leopard skin hat boots made from jelly go cow spottig and buy one but for the rest of us on earth buyer beware

  61. american idol said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to comment Report comment

    ref.52. point taken, apologies to all :D

  62. German Tony said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 11:21 am Link to comment Report comment

    It’s just possible that a generation of car owners is on it’s way that is of the opinion that German badges on cars are for people who are older than they are & thus deeply uncool.

  63. american idol said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 11:35 am Link to comment Report comment

    I think most boys would think most bimmers are cool, some would go as far as claiming that some mercs and certain fords are as well, the scirocco and the golf gti would also qulify the rest of the germanstuff though isn´t really cool regardless one´s age, and there´s always the insurance,price and dishonesty due to jealousey and let´s not forget the negative propaganda they get on fx top gear… the “kok” effect (sorry Paul..) doesn´t really help teenagers who think Jezza is GOD and father of all things true…

  64. Jackie Tyler said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 2:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    point 60 – Citroen’s don’t fall apart any more. They never used to either – it’s just the 1990s models that were a bit dodgy. These days, their quality is up to Volkswagen standards, and their reliability is distinctly better than their Peugeot counterparts. Also, in reply to point 59 – I think that Citroen are saving the best for us – not too many people will mind that the first in the range is a MINI rival – we won’t be waiting too long for the big ones – probably 2010 Geneva and Paris debuts. I can’t wait to get my hands one of these though – and I hope that colour’s availble on the production model!

  65. V svrallo svrallone said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 3:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    1) wait, what is the q8 and why the comment turned to alfas, i missed a bit (i like alfas, someone noyiced?;-))
    2)for the jc facts doo youu mind Saarcaasm and coomeedyy? ? ?Saaatiiiriiical iissuee? ? ? speeeech freeedooom? ? ?
    No seriously do you really wanna live in a country that fire and jail a man because it was sarcastic about the premier? There are many in the world just get a plane ;-)

  66. svrallo svrallone said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 3:50 pm Link to comment Report comment

    damn, the comment system erased my speaking slowly mode on and off jokes :-(
    well it was really enjoyable.

  67. DCM said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 4:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If Carol Thatcher has been axed for her comments, Clarkson should face the same fate also. Who do you think foots the bill for his jaunt to Australia, flights, accommodation, meals, etc, etc – yes the ordinary man on the street the Great British TV licence payer. We should be represented by someone who clearly understands when it IS and IS NOT appropriate to make personal remarks about our Prime Minister. This is not his first “gaff” (lorry driver, French film crew, etc)- how many more are we expected to tolerate. Perhaps all that driving around at excessive speed has scrambled his brain (lol). We live in this country BECAUSE we expect law, order, and a decent standard of behaviour and manners – it’s those that CANNOT display these qualities that should be heading off on a plane.

  68. spowart2008 said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 4:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i am an avid watcher of topgear and clarkson is funny, and will always be so what if he said the prime minister is an idiot, he is look at our country NOW people should leave him and topgear alone, this is a great program, and if clarkson and the team were not like they were IT WOULD NOT BE TOPGEAR……. IT WOULD BE LIKE WATCHING LOOSE WOMEN….. you decide but all i can tell you is that it has not changed my mind about clarkson or the rest of the team!!!!! keep up the good work topgear!!!!

  69. Kadette said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Citroens are good enough for Sebastian Loeb, they are good enough for me! Well, I probably wouldn’t buy one but anyway. Yeah I heard on the news that JC had been nasty to the prime minister, Rock on Jezza!!! Me and most of the country probably agrees with him anyway!

  70. Kadette said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 5:21 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Citroens are good enuf for sebastian Loeb, they are good enuf 4 me! Well, I probably wouldn’t buy one , but anyway. Yeah, I heard on the news that JC had bin rude to the prime minister, rock on Jezza! Me and probably a lot of the country believe in what he said anyway!

  71. Kadette said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 5:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Sorry- didn’t mean to post twice!

  72. Concerned said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 5:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I realise that whilst this blog started out about Citroen, it’s now turned into the pros and cons of Clarkson’s occasional scattergun approach to dealing with the media, so apologies to the good prose of Mr Horrell (which I very much enjoy in TG Magazine) as I throw my hat in the arena.

    In respect of Clarkson, could we all just get a grip, please? There has been a media frenzy because that seems to be the only way the media can now react to anything, regardless of its validity in terms of how newsworthy a story it really is. This is especially true on what would be appear to be a “slow” news day, lest we forget the headline item, “It’s Winter, and there’s SNOW!”, shock, horror. Clarkson expressed an opinion, just as any of us are entitled to do; his mistake was voicing it to the aforementioned media sharks.

    What fascinates me about this reaction is that the outcry appears solely focussed on the undeniable truth that the PM has one eye; however tragic the circumstances were that lead to his impaired capability for depth perception, it is nonetheless a wholly accurate statement of fact. No-one seems to have thrown any kind of tantrum over the one part of Clarkson’s description that is actually a matter of opinion, i.e., whether or not the PM can be regarded or described as an idiot.

    Why is there the need to leap to the defence of those that either did not request or even realise that they required defending? The PM is a professional politician; he knows his business is rarely a popularity contest, and his very position makes him open to criticism, ridicule, even scorn. I therefore have no doubt that he won’t henceforth cry himself to sleep because the nasty man from the BBC had a pop at him. Furthermore, were the PM to describe Clarkson as a fat, bubble-haired loudmouth, I’m confident JC would feel no more aggrieved.

    May we also bear in mind that a number of MPs have gone as far as to lay extensive blame for global warming at Clarkson’s feet, a far more damaging and wide-ranging accusation to level than to criticise his visual acuity. Yet have any one of them been lambasted into some public act of contrition?

    In conclusion, Clarkson let something out of his mouth that his brain waved through without checking, for which he has subsequently apologised. If the matter were to go further, such decisions should be left to those involved, i.e., the PM and Clarkson. The regrettable trial by media that now seems the norm should be the focus of any outcry hereafter.

  73. svrallo svrallone said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 6:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    sorry dcm but i HAVE to say something because silence is lethal when you speak about Principles.
    1)tglive is paid by ticket and petrol company sponsorship.
    2)Actually you are represented by pm Brown, not by mr Clarkson, and, as far as i know, he’s (mr clarkson) known all over the world especially for his satirical and sarcastic jokes about cars and society, more than his serious technical deepening disquisitions (that he had never done). And thats the point, he’s a journalist that write funny things (and he can be wrong or excessive as everybody in the world) thanks to the same principles that grant you to shout loud “sorry mr clarkson but you’ve been wrong and rude”. I respect completely your opinion because you have the rights to think and say what do you want about this fact, but I really can’t stand quietly when you speak about firing people because they don’t fit the standard.”fitting the standards” is not a democratic principles, especially when the guy that choose the standard is called adolf or joseph.
    See what I mean?

  74. american idol said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 6:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    72: hear hear, no news is good news :D
    svrallo– sorry m8, I meant 8C…
    DCM–please speak for yourself, ie opinions in first person singular etc. thnx from all of us who don´t quite agree :G

  75. american idol said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 6:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    DCM.-ps I´m quite sure the bnp has a similar site, try there for cheers–this is not the place

  76. american idol said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 7:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    this is getting extremly dull btw, i´m outta here.. TG do something (a pokitical views filter Paul ?)ta,
    tali-ho

  77. Bobi said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 9:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Yeah! Now that`s more like it. The French may finally found out how to make a good car. Keep up the good work.

  78. J. Stevens said...
    Saturday February 7, 2009 at 11:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The French have made many good cars, it’s just a bit of a secret these days…

  79. uniqueuser524 said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 4:02 am Link to comment Report comment

    Charlie Sheen is the Stig. See ‘The Rookie’ for confirmation. Right height, right build, you know its the truth!!!

  80. CraigJcOz said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 7:50 am Link to comment Report comment

    I never thought i’d say it but, Damn that DS looks sexy!

  81. Af. said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Wow, the new cars look great!!
    And most of all they’re probably gonna be decently affordable!
    Citroen please make them soon!! I really want that supermini!

  82. Alex said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I like that DS3, it looks fantastic. I also like that they haven’t put any effort in thinking about practicality. If I want cheap practicality, I’ll buy a second-hand Transit, not a Citroen.
    Sadly it will be build on the same base structure as the 207, which is rubbish to drive. And if it’s going to be nailed together by the same blokes, it will fall to pieces as well.
    Anyway, if it looks this I’m willing to accept those faults and if they price it like a Citroen I’ll be able to buy two, so I’ll have a back-up if the other breaks down.

    About Clarkson: This is just another of those fake rows. All those silly people who are “offended” because JC said something with “eye” in it are just looking for attention. They’re just looking for reasons to be offended, so they have a opportunity to get the faces in the media. It’s just pathetic.

  83. Basrah said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 2:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Where are the fast Citroens? I like the looks but I bet it will be slow and dull!

  84. Basrah said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 2:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Clarkson for PM

  85. alan said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i am a big fan of topgear,but let down by his coments.he wants to learn when to shut up.there is only one idot

  86. alan said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    t

  87. alan said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    well maybe 2 as my spelling of the word IDIOT

  88. alan said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 5:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    CLARKSON FOR PM!!!!! get real

  89. american idol said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 5:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    why not ? boris made mayor hahahahahaha :D

  90. american idol said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    free petrol for all, ban micras, snipers on higyway bridges, revive rock n´roll etc.. read his books ? he´s got some very “sensible” but in any case hilarious ideas..bet he´d get more votes than Dave :D

  91. american idol said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 5:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps. he´s also got that touch most politicians have.. confusing his opinions with fact :D he´s a natrual..!! he´d gt my vote hehehe

  92. american idol said...
    Sunday February 8, 2009 at 6:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    sorry about the spelling…

  93. Basrah said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 6:25 am Link to comment Report comment

    Some people need to chill out. If you do not like what Mr Clarkson has to say then its easy…….Dont watch!!!!!

  94. minidude said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 1:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    leave clarkson alone, so he made 1 mistake don’t we all and he has given so much great tv :)

  95. david castle said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 3:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    leave ……alone gordon brown is a one eyed scotish man

  96. david castle said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    if jeremy clarkson get fired all give s….

  97. david castle said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 3:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    f….. s…. n….

  98. mikeeeee said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 4:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    yerrrr sounds good to me :):)

  99. american idol said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 5:58 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Clarkson vs Brown facts :

    Jezzer Gordon
    96 2

    on this blog WE LIKE Jezzer :D

  100. american idol said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 5:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    can we get back to cars now ?

  101. J. Stevens said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 7:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This is hardly an objective audience, what JC said was genuinely offensive as it mocked someone for being physically impaired. Calling the man an idiot was a judgement call, nobody who matters is worried about that bit.

  102. TOP GEAR FAN MAN said...
    Monday February 9, 2009 at 8:54 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I loved the original DS my dad had a dark blue one the
    headlights turned at the same time as you turned the wheel

  103. david castle said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 12:11 pm Link to comment Report comment

    kiss my…..

  104. Fan 104 or whatever. said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 3:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    could you repeat this episode?(09/02/2009)
    plz =-D
    i would like to know how that litte car that better whos than the Bugatti viron … even the seme date ( 09/02/2009 ) … how it names …
    and : idd i’kant speek Englich lols thx for reading =-D plz answer

  105. top gear fan belgium said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 5:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    is there any one who knows when the knew serie of top gear starts in 2009? many thanks!

  106. american idol said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 6:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    .. calling a blind person as one having partially impeared vision is generally accepted as not quite so obtusely offensive and therefore wouldn´t be precieved as mocking ?? whaT has the world come to ? just imagine the conversation with someone who refers to a glass of water as an object aimed to hold and carry fluids and liquids to ones oral cavity filled with 2oo mililitres of substance of 2hydrogen and an oxygen molecule chemicaly bound… plz:(
    hmm come to think of it James May springs to mind :D

  107. american idol said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 6:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    besides if clarkson would´ve said something along the lines of –our leader has partially impeared vision and mental capacity and is from scotland..– I´m quite sure he would´ve had to face up to the same type of bollocking, it´s called sensationalism and implies acreativity low in certain media thinktanks…ie bla snow bla bla fluds bla bla bla recession and oh my GOD.. clarkson said …!!! bla bla bla, bla bla

  108. yer maw said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 7:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    when does the new series of top gear start

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  111. american idol said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 7:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    contex now-a-day´s has become inapropriate, video killed the radio star and media´s doing a most excellent job getting rid of charisma.. way to go !

  112. american idol said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 7:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    it started last tuesday !

  113. american idol said...
    Tuesday February 10, 2009 at 7:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    not !! he he, sorry dunno…

  114. Sasha said...
    Wednesday February 11, 2009 at 6:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    here is a question for TG team: how much does it really costs to make a car…..i think u should find out that, because some say……it isn`t a big deal at all

  115. Cedric said...
    Thursday February 12, 2009 at 2:19 am Link to comment Report comment

    I think Citroen will manage to break the image made by the last years of total dulliness forced by peugeot because they wanted to be the most powerfull of the group (psa i mean).

    Citroen has balls :D So that’s good, because the germans are never really daring anything anyway, so luckily for us, the french are here to spice the all thing a little bit.

    The quality is just amazing compared to what it was, they are german equivalents now ( c5, latest renaults, picassos ) But they add to be cheap, so could’t have that little extra, now they can!

    I think it’s a great thing for the auto industry, the germans do fine cars, but they are boring, not so innovative. The french automakers on the other end are, i’m really looking forward the ds lineup, and a ds6 based on the gt concept wouldn’t hurt a strng lineup would it ? ;)

  116. american idol said...
    Thursday February 12, 2009 at 8:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    cedric, I can ride your wave with a bit of imagination but to claim that vibrant interrior colours and insense in your AC, a steering wheel that doesn´t turn with a touch of funy-funk and a tea spoon of unreliability seasoned with a sprinkle of competitive pricing is more innovative than a merc,a bimmer,an audi or even the hb wv ???? prove it :D

  117. american idol said...
    Thursday February 12, 2009 at 8:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps.i´m looking forward to the new cit. line up as well but baby steps..is what i´m thinking.. 80 years and the 2cv and the ds…not very inovative, I´d much rather different..

  118. american idol said...
    Thursday February 12, 2009 at 8:21 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps having one spoke on the steering wheel meant no real grip.. the airy suspension men wobble-u turns, the spacy instrumentation ment speeding tickets, yes lights that turn along the curvature make sense if your racing mountain roads but than again with that suspention you wouldn´t want to..but the seats mu GOD they were comfortable, which is why most german manufacturers acquired their seating foam from france, ie audi 80 etc.. peugeot on the other hand managed to make some really very decent vehicles and though I don´t like them some of the best diesel engines in the world. Citroen has always been funky and that has a charm but innovative with balls ?

  119. Bullitt said...
    Friday February 13, 2009 at 10:26 am Link to comment Report comment

    @american idol:
    hydraulic assisted breaks, self leveling suspensions, semi-automatic transmission, turning lighst, alluminum and glas fiber components, gasoline injection, disc brakes, the hability to drive on three wheels, etc.. Most of these innovations have been adopted by other manufacturers (yep, even the germans bought some licenses from citroen, figure that!). And the wobble-u turns you speak are no more there in the newer big Cits. The c6 is even faster in the slalom as the bimmer 5-series (which is menat to be the most driver orientated bussines saloon on the market). Citroen is finnally getting his mojo back with a new daring design and better build quality. Even the Xantia was pretty reliable (better than tha Passat, as german statistics show).

  120. Capitiane_Lente said...
    Friday February 13, 2009 at 2:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I like it, like it a lot, so what if 75% of it is the same as the C3 for instance, if it has that air of classless class (does that make sense?), that certain je ne sais quoi, then hopefully it’ll sell. I can’t wait.

    Oh and to correct someone’s comment up above the Saxo and the old Peugeot 107 while looking almost identical shared almost no parts in common. I was amazed when one of my language students as Citroën told me this, but apparently it was at Peugeot’s behest.

  121. american idol said...
    Friday February 13, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    bullit.. which model are you refering to ? a certain, particular one or just a random list of innovations ? I meant no disrespect, purely pointed out the fact that a citroen is not a bmw or a merc.. the fact that the top of the line model to which you also refer to is slightly better on statistics than a passat I think speaks for itself.
    ps most of the “innovations” you refer to except for the self leveling suspension were topped by a certain 1943 cadillac.. and i believe it was the cortina, a Ford that bedazzeld us with 3 wheeling.. but I appreciate your enthusiasm all the same.. they ARE funky machines and there are a few models that I would def. like to own one day, older vintage types just for fun not for performance or quality..
    smiles, ai

  122. american idol said...
    Friday February 13, 2009 at 5:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    my father in-law is an addicted citroen fan and has been devoted to the brand for roughly 30 years..(yes.. he´s got a beard..)..anyway the last one he owned was the xm that was so disappointing he changed to landrover in 1999.. I was a bit sad I must admit it was good laugh but than again I had my bimmer waiting for me.. a he had the AA.. don´t mean to slag, I speak the truth.. my mother in law still has her c4 but tends to take off in the Landie in the morning for some reason…I think she just wants to get there..

  123. american idol said...
    Friday February 13, 2009 at 5:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    and a last question c6 against which model 5 series ? I think it´s important in order not to get carried away on a wave of immotion and maintain objectivity to be a little more precise.. there are as I´m sure you know enormous differences between seemingly rather similar bmws..ie. 318i & m3 not the same car.. at all.

  124. american idol said...
    Friday February 13, 2009 at 5:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps sorry about the crapy spelling..

  125. Kuang said...
    Saturday February 14, 2009 at 12:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Bullitt: I would be absolutely *amazed* if the C6 was a better slalom car than the 5 series for two reasons:

    - The 5 has one of the most balanced and responsive chassis in the business – for a car of that size, it’s sublime. Having RWD with pretty good stability and traction control helps too.

    - The C6′s steering does not like to be rushed.. at all. If you yank it hard into a turn the intial resistance is scary as the power steering catches up. It’s an amazing drive cross country but there’s no sportiness about it. It’s a lover, not a fighter :)

  126. american idol said...
    Saturday February 14, 2009 at 3:34 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hear hear :D

  127. Bullitt said...
    Saturday February 14, 2009 at 6:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @american idol:
    it was all refering to only one car: the citroen DS. And the Xantia was certain not a top of the line car, teh XM was it at that time, although the statistics on the XM were not that good :). And the ones of the Xantia were not just “slightly” better than the ones of the passat. The merc C-class had “slightly” lower reliability than the Xantia.
    The cadillac you speak of is unknown to me, I know the tucker had a central lioght that turned with the direction, though.
    And to the cortina: yopu mean that car with one central front wheel? The DS, as showed in an murder attempt against Charles de Gaulle, can keep on driving when one of the wheels has a flat tire.
    @Kuang
    The test was done by auto-motor-sport and actually, thanks to the hydractive III+ suspension it was faster through the pilons than the bmw. That the bmw is more engaging as a driver car in curvy roads is out of discussion. I only wanted to appoint that the modern suspension in citroens is not as see-sickness-provocating as in the beginnings :)

    Any way, I hope citroen has success with the new DS-line. It’s one of the few car companies with an unique design an overall flair that is affordable for anybody.

  128. Bullitt said...
    Saturday February 14, 2009 at 6:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @Kuang
    I found the report online:

    http://www.auto-motor-und -sport.de/vergleichstest/ artikel/bmw-525d-volvo-s8 0-d5-citroen-c6-hdi-kontr ast-mitte-2-760373.html

    Page 2, last paragraph (sorry, but it’s in german):

    “Ähnlich verhält es sich beim ebenfalls frontgetriebenen, untersteuernden Citroën, der jedoch bei forcierter Gangart umgehend seine distanzierte Zurückhaltung aufgibt und erstaunlich flink ums Eck wieselt. Das große Schiff eilt sogar schneller durch die Pylonengasse als der BMW (siehe Spotlight) und bleibt selbst in kritischen Situationen leicht beherrschbar.”

    The BMW was a 525d, the citroen was the v6 biturbo HDI.

  129. Kuang said...
    Saturday February 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Cheers Bullitt, that’s interesting reading – does that only refer to the double lane change emergency manouevre though, or the entire slalom course? I can’t find the spotlight section it refers to, and I don’t think they did one of their video tests for that article. If it really was faster through the cones than the 525, that’s astonishing and a good result for Citroen. :)

  130. Bullitt said...
    Sunday February 15, 2009 at 12:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @Kuang
    it was no course, just five or six succesive lane changes through traffic cones. I’m sure in a course the citroen wouldn’t have a chance because of the heavier weight and lower motor response :(. It’s also a shame that the mentioned spotlight can’t be found online :(.

  131. american idol said...
    Sunday February 15, 2009 at 9:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    bullit, the ds was a fantastic automobile and the same can be said about the 2cv.. disc brakes however were first patented by a british inventor frederich william lanchaster in 19o1… and most american manufacturers utilised full or semi automatic gearboxes, power stearing, cruise control etc from ,with the exeptin of cruise control which was first made available for the public in a `58 cadillac, the early 40´s by companies such as Packard, GM, Chrysler,Studebaker etc.. while we we´re busy rebuilding the remains of ww1 and 2 they were busy doing other stuff… sorry, that´s just the way it is..
    about the c-klasse.. they are still up and running with some examples having over 500k miles on the clock..find me 1 xantia that does the same and it will be the exception confirming my point.. dont mean to be rude just realistic.. the v6 c6 biturbo hdi should really have been up against the 530tds and I might have stood corrected..and felt I learned something about citroen that I didn´t already know..btw De Gaulle´s Ds was a bit different from the one avreage Jaques bought…but I´m sure you knew that.

  132. american idol said...
    Sunday February 15, 2009 at 9:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..having said all that respect to the ds of old and all the best for the new one coming, citroen deserves a second chance, let the new era begin.. I look very much forward to it :D

  133. Kuang said...
    Sunday February 15, 2009 at 9:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Even without the stats a completely black C6, inside and out, is one of the coolest cars you can buy. If it weren’t for the price I’m sure there’d be a lot more tooling about.

  134. topgear fan said...
    Sunday February 22, 2009 at 7:52 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i think the ds is going to be great!!!!!!!!!!!

  135. gogo said...
    Tuesday February 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm Link to comment Report comment

    loock litle like mini ,but its good

  136. F(92+obs)1l0z0f said...
    Thursday March 5, 2009 at 11:00 am Link to comment Report comment

    Good looking car,probably this will be style that rest Citroen cars will use.Nice name too-DS Inside,but inside what???
    Still,100% is that ‘inside’ is going to be replaced with number 3 in serial production,and that is a car to wait…
    I will rather drive this than Mini.
    Why?Because 1 milion people is driving Mini,and there will be only few lunatics (like me) that will like to buy something like this Citroen…

  137. kostas paschalgreece said...
    Saturday June 27, 2009 at 7:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I saw the new citroen ds.the reedition of the thryllic ds.Know someone something more for prince or interior.send informations at kostaspach@yahoo.gr please. Iwill buy it T EVERY PRINCE!!!!!!!!!!!

  138. peugeot owner said...
    Sunday August 9, 2009 at 6:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i think that citroen are doing great. they have got over that phase in the late 80′s and 90′s of building flimsy peugeot twins. there is some fanstastic new cars in their range the c5 really is very underated and it is the best car in the rep mobile class. the c6 is unbeleviably beautiful and innovative. and the comfort on the big hydractive (properly known as hydropneumatic) cars is superior to all cars using springs or air suspension. there is some rubbish cars still in their range like the c3 pluriel its just ugly. but i hope citroen does well and continues to make more completely mad cars like the old ds,cx, and gs

  139. Alex said...
    Thursday September 3, 2009 at 11:54 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’d rather have a Citroen C2 over a DS3 or similar junk any day. The C2 has cleaner lines. The DS3 is the ultimate car for bimbos and gay men/

  140. Late said...
    Friday January 8, 2010 at 9:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This time ‘DS’ would stand for Different Spirit

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