Don’t be fooled by the new-car carrot

Posted by Paul Horrell at 2:40 pm on Friday April 3, 2009

old-miniWould you buy a new car if the Government gave you £2000 to do it? In Germany that’s roughly what you get, provided you scrap one that’s over nine years old. It has meant sales of small cars over there are surging, despite the economic crash. So you won’t be surprised to learn that dealers here are lobbying for something similar. Bad idea.

Look at it this way. If you could see that there’s all this lobbying for a £2000 bung sometime soon, would you buy a car now? Nope. You’d wait. So by making all this noise about the need for an incentive to get things moving, the industry has in fact ground to a halt. Which sounds like an own goal.

Anyway, why would a scheme like this do our car plants much good? After all, it’s all about cheap small cars, and apart from the Mini (not cheap) and Micra (not a big player) small cars aren’t made in Britain. Jaguar and Land Rover sales won’t get much of a bounce. Nor, likely will even the Civics and CRVs from Swindon, Aurises from Burnaston and Astras from Ellesmere Port.

Then if the incentive is introduced, and if sales surge as a result, where will we be? Well, for sure the overall average CO2 output of cars on the road will fall, as big old smokers get traded for squeaky-clean new tiddlers. That green angle is how the Government will sell the scheme to the public, by the way.

But the car market will have been distorted. All those small cars bought under the scheme will be worth a lot less when they’re sold secondhand. First because they will suddenly be in surplus. Also they will have been bought at a lower price, so that’s bound to suppress their worth.

And when the subsidy stops, new-car demand will falter again. What a mess.

Anyway, as the scheme goes on, I don’t expect you will actually get a car for £2000 less. Because dealers will stop giving such good discounts as they do now. Or they’ll give you less for your trade-in. They’ll want to get what they perceive as ‘their share’ of the bung from the public purse.

You might also notice that lots of car prices have gone up lately. Could this be the manufacturers are anticipating that the taxpayer will shortly step in and knock them down again. Not that I’m a conspiracy theorist or anything.

It’s the law of unintended consequences and it’s almost inevitable with subsidies. Farm subsidies are a perfect example. Fifty years of farm subsidies didn’t make farmers richer. They just enabled supermarket buyers to push down the real prices they paid to farmers while the subsidies took up the slack. So the true beneficiaries of all that taxpayers’ money were the supermarket shareholders.

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  1. Blagger said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 3:45 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I agree that not many jobs in British plants will be saved by virtue of such a move, nevertheless, the scheme doesn’t work as you describe it in Germany.
    The customer goes in to enquire about a car and only if the conditions apply, can they then apply for a 2.5 K lump sum back from the govt. No money goes to the dealers and the same conditions prices will apply, or else people will soon find out what people are paying for vehicles that aren’t eligible for the money.

    This was introduced in Germany as it is a huge sector of GDP and responsible for thousands on jobs, such a scheme in the UK doesn’t have nearly the same importance.

    Also, this was introduced in Germany to appease people after billions were “given” to the banks and to balance it out somewhat, money is being invested in crumbling infrastructure and a little encouragement given to ordinary folk to spend and not hoard their money as Germans tend to do.

  2. Mikeado said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    But if all the ’90s hatchbacks are scrapped, what the hell are students (like me) gonna buy? There aren’t enough old Minis to go around you know.

  3. qua2ar said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 5:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ye i seriously hope they dont do this. All second hand cars from £500 to £2000 will dissapear, leaving first time buyers without cheap and cheerful options. I too am in this category.

    If anyone has 3.5 hours and the want to know the history of all this money rubbish, watch this video. Its 10 years old btw.

  4. Matt said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 5:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    But I collect classic cars!

  5. Vroom stick said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 8:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Great! That means if I start saving now I can scrap my ’95 Suburu Legacy turbo just in time to pick-up a disposable Tata Nano when they start selling them in ta(ta), na na na no, you’re alright.

  6. catersam said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 8:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It’s going to create a two tier market. People eligible for the discount will replace their car and get £2000 off, and then sell their new cheaper car for less than sticker pirce to someone not eligible for the discount. Then they have all that extra cash for a nice new car which costs more money.

  7. H said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 9:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Did it over this side of the pond a few years back – it was a roaring success. Granted it was sold on a green agenda in association with stricter car testing. We have no manufacturing to bolster.

    But it was a little earner for the government ’cause they picked up the VRT and VAT for new car sales. The car industry certainly liked it. And anybody who got a grand for that Sunny with a no third gear or brakes to speak of that they bought for 250quid didn’t complain

  8. H said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 9:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Matt, logically it will mean that the junker that you regretted buying now just became rare!

  9. Flyer said...
    Friday April 3, 2009 at 10:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Read all the comments and would like some advice on what to do with my car, Honda Prelude F reg – 20 yrs old and 76,000 miles. It has never, ever let me down in the 9 yrs I have had it but the tax is high and anytime soon I guess the European commission will reduce the carbon emmission level too low for me to run it. It is not worth much a couple of hundred maybe, so this is the thing do I take the £2k and buy a plastic ‘tea cosy’ or run it as long as I can and sell for scrap. [How old is a classic car anyway?]

  10. Engin Kurutepe said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 12:25 am Link to comment Report comment

    Well, in Germany a significant number of dealers match the government bonus. That means instead of getting 2500€ off of a BMW, Benz, or Chevy or Fiat etc. you get at least 5000€ off. That means 116i’s can be bought for around 15k€ or a simple new Panda (or a Chevy Matiz, but why would you?) for around 5000€. Not a bad deal at all if you have an at least nine year old car to scrap. And before you ask, no, you cannot just buy one sad junker and scrap it to get that 2500€ bonus. you have to have been the owner of the car for at least a year.

  11. LINGsCARS said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 7:40 am Link to comment Report comment

    I completely agree with Paul Horrell.

    First, it would be an environmental and economic catastrophe to reward people for scrapping perfectly roadworthy older cars, which would otherwise give years of useful service. If they claim this will reduce CO2 by replacing more polluting cars with newer cars, you have to wonder what planet they live on. The flagship UK-based car companies looking to benefit from this scheme are Land-Rover and Jaguar, both owned by India and both of which make large gas-guzzling cars. Why on earth scrap an old Land-Rover, cars which traditionally have a very long service life, just to build a new one?

    Second, the sales increase a scheme like this would cause may be real in the short-term, but it is artificial. Like other fiscal benefits such as a reduction in house-buying stamp duty, a bye-buy bonus would simply concentrate sales into an artificial time-frame, leaving people who bought cars before the scheme financially worse off and creating a desertification of the car market when the scheme terminates. There would be a deluge of sales, followed by a long drought – which would create further car production turmoil.

    Finally, you have to ask who would benefit? Imported cars make up the vast majority sold in the UK, today. For instance, Ford does not produce a single car in Britain; every new Ford car is imported. A temporary sales-boost will simply benefit foreign car manufacturing plants, with little benefit to British workers. All this would be subsidised by the British taxpayer.

    All in all, this scrappage scheme is a short-term, short-sighted fix to a much larger problem created by overproduction, blinkered design, and greed. You have to ask, why not take it a step further and pay people substantial cash bonuses to scrap perfectly good TVs, fridges, radios and kettles, or even subsidise people swapping old knickers for new at Marks and Spencer. Clearly this whole rationale is complete, utter economic madness.

    Ling Valentine

  12. LINGsCARS said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    Further… Citroen UK has launched it’s own scrappage scheme: £2,000 – to customers with a vehicle registered before 2000 (cars will be scrapped), and £1,000 – to customers with a vehicle registered between 1st January 2000 and 31st December 2002 (cars may not be scrapped).

    By encouraging people to scrap cars just 9-years old, Citroen are breaking their own promise of sustainability. There is nothing sustainable about scrapping a car after just 9-years. The driving factor is clearly the greed to sell a new car, absolutely nothing green about this.

    The deal applies to Citroen’s C4, C5, C6, C-Crosser SUV and C8 ranges. The deal will not be available on C1, C2, C3, C3 Pluriel, C3 Picasso or Berlingo First Multispace models.

    In an evil twist, Citroen are excluding their greenest models, meaning customers using this scheme will certainly not be doing it for environmental reasons. They will be forced into a higher CO2 car, to get any bribe. Not only is this completely contrary to Citroen’s own claims on their website about swapping into C1s to save the planet, the marketing and publicity means the public is even more strongly persuaded to hold off buying a new car until the “proposed government” scrappage scheme is introduced. Which it won’t be. Which means the signals sent out by Citroen, the SMMT, RMIF et al and the rest of the car industry are killing new car demand by promoting this!

    People should note that Citroen have had 3 price rises in 2009 – would it be cynical to think that customers are paying for this brown scheme?

    Ling Valentine

  13. Bob.Dussen said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 8:26 am Link to comment Report comment

    Any One with Money and Passion for thier Car`s or Truck should throw new tech enegine in it.

    Old Timers with New High Tech Motors in it what a twist WTF. “-)

  14. Sander said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 1:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It’s a shame Top Gear never payed any attention too ‘Donkervoort’. A super sportscar from Holland.

  15. 4 stroke said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So,the alternative is to increase unemployment,stifle competion keeping the economy in a static low and leaving the world with fewer car makers,by 2015 we are all gonna be encouraged to go electric anyway.Give it a go,it worked for the Gerry’s!

  16. LINGsCARS said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 6:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    4 stroke: that’s nonsense.

    The World will soon have fewer car makers and maybe that is a good thing! The World cannot simply keep pumping out cars people don’t want just to keep car-makers and dealers in business.

    You can’t have it all ways: when there is oversupply, the dealers and car makers complain they can’t make money as the cars are too cheap. They should make better management decisions, they have simply been greedy/inefficient.

    What about makers of ALL consumer goods? Should they get scrappage subsidy? Should Dyson benefit from a vacuum cleaner scrappage scheme? Why is the motor industry (which supports far too many inefficient duplicate dealers in every town with glass palace buildings, as well as manufacturers who churn out many versions of the same mode like the 107, Aygo, C1) different to everyone else?

    Car dealers are lazy. I have not had a car dealer canvass me to buy a car, has anyone experienced that? They generally just drink coffee and wait for walk-ins in their posh, centrally heated, aircon-ed, multi-million pound dealerships. They want to get their hands on the scrappage subsidy, eh? Yum, yum.

    Ling Valentine

  17. LINGsCARS said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 6:52 pm Link to comment Report comment

    …and when you say “stifle competition”, that’s a laugh.

    The motor industry is the most cartel-like, controlling, dictating product sector there is.

    They should allow multi-franchising, stop the crazy dealer standards (BMW toilet roll anyone?) allow independent dealers to sell their cars and not have to be bullied into every concession by the European Competition Commissioner. If they had a lean, competitive sector (instead of a protected, cartel-like setup) maybe they would be much fitter to cope with this recession.

  18. Deaddonkey said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 8:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’ve not long bought a 1998 BMW 735i for £1500. Two things to consider:-

    1) I only have £1500 to spend, so even if I was given a £2k subsidy, I still can’t afford a new car.
    2) My eleven year old car is a very nice car. It would be criminal to throw it away!

    People who tend to by older cars, usually do less miles than those that buy new. Therefore, they are not necessarily such big polluters as is made out.

  19. Horsepowerrrrr said...
    Saturday April 4, 2009 at 11:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hhmmm… perhaps trick them. spend £2000 on a lil plastic toy car model where the doors open. You’ll have change to spend on different things… Foolproof.

  20. Kev The Marshal said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This scheme [I think someone has alluded to this, so please say so if it was you], is not eco friendly. Think of the energy and polution caused by recycling a car then making a brand new one. Much more sense to offer cash to help make the existing cars green by upgrading them.

    I’m keeping hold of my ’95 106 whatever happens. it’s cheap to run, [aside from the extortionate road tax] and relatively green too. OK, not the best, but if there was a upgrade to improve this, I’d fit it.

    I would, in fact, get the greenest lowest polluting bio-fueled electric car and drive it. But I’d still like a V12 Jaguar running the smokiest fuel ever to drive to greenpeace conferences.

  21. WalleBrian said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 2:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I agree with LINGsCARS about the lazy dealers.

    I visited a Skoda dealer to view the updated Octavia. They did not have a DSG model for test drive on the day, so I left my details for them to get in touch. They have not followed it up.

    I own a 13 year old MB C-Class with 88,000 miles on the clock, never any problems. I could not bring myself to hand it in for scrap, I would rather give it to someone who could make good use of it. Surely the greenest way to run a car is to run it for twenty years or more if it runs reliably for that long.

  22. Bob.Dussen said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 6:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I`d hold off buying any new car Realy WHY buy now and get more in depth causeing more greif..!

    Just keep your Beloved car and drive less with it untill they come up with better ones hopefully ones with 10% submission`s or Better yet 0% Submissions

  23. LINGsCARS said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well, without wanting to get banned for promoting, this is why my new cars are so good, you simply rent at a fixed cost for 2 or 3 years. No financial holes.

    But, I agree it is the compulsory SCRAPPING that is so bad. It makes you cry to think how many perfectly good cars have been scrapped in Germany. Just for the greed of selling a new one.

    There is not much wrong with new cars, they are much cleaner than 10 year old ones. Unless you are an eco-anarchist, new cars are here to stay. ***But, the old cars should be able to be used until they are no longer economically viable, not just crushed for no good reason.***

    I think I am the only new-car supplier in the UK (I moved £35 million at retail values in 2008) not to be blinded by the greed of this scrappage scheme. It’s sick. On this basis, I would say some people in the motor industry DESERVE to suffer.

  24. F.King-Hell said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 8:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I have be honest I was waiting to see if this scheme got off the ground as I am desperate to buy a new car – not that my current effort is goosed, i just need a new car – know what I mean? Anyhow there are some well put logical points listed above & add to that I can pick up about £1500 for my car & would expect to negotoate well over the additional grand of any reasonable sized car – add to that this will be even more tax payers money which will see my tax rise even further – simply put I will not be able to afford to participate in the cash for scrap scheme as I will be thousands out of pocket (as will every other tax payer) & the only beneficiaries will be grasping car dealers – & this may seem harsh, but I really don’t give a rats ass about them – I agree with the comment posted by LINGsCARS – let them fend for themselves, nail them to the wall for the best deal you can get & to hell with another hair brained scheme…

  25. pegasus said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 9:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    HORSE TRAILER TOWING VEHICLES – any recommendations anyone? My disco has broken down 5x in the last couple of months (turbocharger-clutch-powe r steering-rear suspension-fuel leak)and having towed (or tried to)with discos for the last 9yrs have now given up! Needs to be good in mud, >2.5K kg with low ratio gearbox and ok on-road approx 18k miles/yr

  26. EuropeanCarFan said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 9:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I agree with DeadDonkey.

    I have just bought a 97 Alfa GTV for my sins, but even if I where to scrap it, I would get £2k. However, a new Alfa GT is £21k. Where am I to find £19k, especially now as if I ran into a bank asking for such a huge loan, the bank manager would roll around the floor laughing like the smash aliens.

    Or do I put another £2k to it, and buy a tata nano box?

    No thanks nuLabour, I’ll keep the Alfa.

  27. EuropeanCarFan said...
    Sunday April 5, 2009 at 9:27 pm Link to comment Report comment


    I always found the hydopneumatic Citroens great towing vehicles, suspension can be lowered to hitch up, raised, and self levels!

    And the system is easy to renew, even DIY, spheres are as easy as an oil filter change.

    Their diesel HDi engines have useful torque too.

  28. Julian said...
    Monday April 6, 2009 at 11:06 am Link to comment Report comment

    there’s two things to this.

    1. what will students buy when they most certainly can not buy a new car with 2000 pounds. not even one of those Tata Nano’s which will cost around 4 grand when they turn up over here. if all the ninety’s hatchbacks and superminis get scrapped then students will spend their time not being able to get to uni’s or things like that. unless the government seriously expects them to take public transport from the south coast all the way to scotland. which is insane. since public tranport is seriously uncomfortable for that amount of time.

    2. there’s a loophole? save £100 and buy a snotty little box on wheels which doesnt work and then get it scrapped and collect £2000 to buy a newer. nicer car. wouldn’t that work?

  29. SW18 2TopGear said...
    Monday April 6, 2009 at 12:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The British car industry is on the verge of collapse so let’s just have it hung up and dry. Let Malaysian GLCs like Proton come in and buy them off the shelves, as it did with Lotus, then resell them to the whole world. We have arses shouting that they want an increase in wages, etc when the industry is hardly sustaining itself at the moment. Fools!

  30. Italian Rides said...
    Monday April 6, 2009 at 12:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Great! If there is such a trade in programme, all these useless Alfa Romeos and Fiats that break down all the time but us owners are too passionate to let go for scrap, can finally be used to get some cash to change them for nice reliable Japanese runabouts!

  31. Proton said...
    Monday April 6, 2009 at 12:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hahaha, all the more British marques for me to buy then! Proton rules, suckers!

  32. Lloydy said...
    Monday April 6, 2009 at 1:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Stupid Scheme. WTF??? It costs around £10k for a decent hatchback. And i dont want a world full of civics, auruses and those sh!tty CRV’s. rather be £2000 less off if i had 2 buy one of those. And proton realli doesnt rule xD

  33. DragRacerV6 said...
    Monday April 6, 2009 at 4:20 pm Link to comment Report comment

    its a desent sceam but i have noticed that peugeot have started making the 206 agen as new BUT i also noticed at the local direct cars near my house there selling it at 7995 so call it 8grand thats a lot of money for not a lot of car so what ive done is baught my nans its 2002 lx cd player alloys etc and it cost me 1 grand so am sorry but that sceam will not work as the frenshies and adofs (Germans) and italians all of the new cars are around 4-10 grand like am 17 and have a part time job i cannot afford it so do your self a faver and buy used

  34. Liviu said...
    Monday April 6, 2009 at 8:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    In Germany, the car that sold best on this government scheme, was the Dacia Logan, so it kinda backfired on them. At some time, they weren’t able to make them quikly enough to satisfy the demand. By the way, from what I gather, in Germany, the company that provides the car first, gets the money because the customer cand apply ar more dealerships.
    Anyhow, I guess the best car you could by for this low amount of money would still be a Dacia but since it isn’t sold in the UK and because you drive on the other side of the road, you won’t be able to buy one anyway.

  35. moneymouth77 said...
    Tuesday April 7, 2009 at 11:34 am Link to comment Report comment

    I quite like the idea… admittedly, it encourages small-car purchase, and yes, to advertise but not implement does slow the industry down, but the first is not necessarily a bad thing. Small cars are massively more practical, and most are also more cost efficient. Good buys for a country in recession!

  36. Kev The Marshal said...
    Tuesday April 7, 2009 at 2:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Moneymouth77 – why should I scrap my perfectly usable, but old, 106 in favour of a [horrible] 107 for example which is just as (in fact I suspect less) practical, has lower performance, and is built even worse? It’s not a scheme that’ll make any difference to the environment at all.

    Still, there is an upside. if the scheme goes ahead, then Pretty soon spares for older cars like mine are going to be extremely easy to come by, including lots of more efficient engines and plenty of them from the cars that fools have scrapped to buy new cars with. We could make our old cars greener by simply taking the newer technology from the later cars consigned to the scrapheap and still be more cost effecient.

  37. I-had-a-Proton said...
    Tuesday April 7, 2009 at 5:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I had a Proton before and it’s quality was miles away compared to other Japanese and Korean makes. Proton ONLY sells well in Malaysia because the govt imposes all types of crap taxes on imported car makes to drive their prices upwards. Proton supposedly sell us very value-for-money cars as Malaysians are paying more money for less parts compared to our overseas version, yet the versions here still suck BIG TIME!

    Actually, what cars suck the least? Beemers maybe?

  38. midget said...
    Tuesday April 7, 2009 at 6:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hang on. Dust to dust? How can the government sell this as a “green” solution when we are going to be building loads of cars in return for taking other still road-worthy cars off the road? The emissoins caused by building/scrapping the cars would be huge. Bin that idea.

  39. smithy said...
    Tuesday April 7, 2009 at 7:19 pm Link to comment Report comment


  40. Dirk said...
    Tuesday April 7, 2009 at 11:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Let’s face it. The real solution is for car manufacturers to build and sell what the people need. Not what they think is “cool”.

    They need to go back to the days of the Mini, Fiat 500 and classic Beetle. Basic cars that could be bought and fixed for less than a daily wage.

    Then get them to take it one step further with after market up-grades. Build them so that they can grow with the owner.

  41. Flyer said...
    Tuesday April 7, 2009 at 11:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I have noticed that some of you think that the solution would be to put the newer technology into the old cars, well it may have escaped your notice but cars have bodies that deteriorate and would cost a small fortune to maintain forever getting rid of the rust patches and in my car having to seal shut the sunroof as it kept leaking and I kept getting a lap full of water after it had rained.

    Also, I think it was Julian’s loophole wouldn’t work because I think that you have to have owned the car for at least a year before you would qualify for the scheme.

    I do love my car even though it is 20 yrs old, it is so comfortable but I have to be realistic each year when I take it for the MOT more and more really expensive things need to be fixed and the tax is heavy, also the insurance. If I buy say a Panda eco, £5995 at my local dealer I feel that I won’t lose out financially in the end.

  42. Smoko said...
    Wednesday April 8, 2009 at 10:57 am Link to comment Report comment

    No way am I scrapping my old Saab and buying a new cheapo; why don’t they give me 2K to upgrade and restore it.Flyer: most decent cars have been galvanised for years and don’t really rust now.

  43. Philippe said...
    Wednesday April 8, 2009 at 2:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If i had a scrab car i would give them my gunk and by a new car round about 6000€. It is a nice thing that Merkel given us. Not that i’m a fan of Merkel, i does like her a lot.
    But yeah, give her a shot.

  44. nicko said...
    Thursday April 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm Link to comment Report comment

    AutoExpress and others are encouraging their readers to sign a petition to support the scrappage schemes. I think more of us should sign the petition to oppose this – there seem to be far more people for than against at the moment. The link below should take you to the petition on the government website.

    http://petitions.number10 GWqqGC4v1rXEbrq09BH2qp

  45. ScoobyDoo said...
    Saturday April 11, 2009 at 5:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well thats another nail in the classic car coffin

  46. muncaidh said...
    Monday April 13, 2009 at 4:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Can I just get 2grand from the government for no reason to help stimulate my financial crisis?

  47. diceman said...
    Monday April 13, 2009 at 10:49 pm Link to comment Report comment

    We need a new car as we have a 10 year old fiesta, and have a little boy and another baby on the way. Is it worth me waiting for this scheme? Or would I be better picking up something a 2 year old Focus instead?

    Will the £2000 incentive mean that used car prices drop? I am confused as what is best to do.

  48. TGSTIG said...
    Wednesday April 15, 2009 at 10:23 am Link to comment Report comment

    what is this? a mini?????!!!!! ‘COZ IT SURE LOOKS LIKE 1……………

  49. KarMa said...
    Wednesday April 15, 2009 at 11:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    @47 I’d say get a Panda instead, because it’s taller and it’s easier to drag baby seats in and out of it + it is cheaper to run + your kids will most probably not be the best in keeping the interior “right” therefore you will not mind car seats to look cheap, since you’ll cover them anyway.

  50. SUTSKI123 said...
    Thursday April 16, 2009 at 10:14 am Link to comment Report comment

    Don’t do it people! DO NOT GO INTO DEBT!!!

    This scheme is an outrage. GO GREEN !! shouts the govt. then GO BUY A GASS GUZZLER shouts the govt…WILL YOU MAKE YOUR MINDS UP PLEEEEASE!!!

    P.S it is not confidence in the economy that is keeping me from spending, it is confidence in the buffoons (purportedly) running things that is making me finally become a prudent saver rather than an indebted consumer…

  51. KarMa said...
    Friday April 17, 2009 at 1:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    aww of course you’re right Sutski… if one wants to get a car cost-wise he should either keep his own if efficient enough or buy any recent used Italian or French or German direct injection diesel engine with a car in good conditions attached to it, because investing the time that it takes to find one and choose it to either you or your trustworthy ol’repairman (that you should employ to help you in the choice if you’re not competent enough to avoid being sold a clunky lemon that just looks good) is the best investment that one can do in this field nowadays, and recent diesels are a lot more efficient than the respective petrol-burners while still definitely tougher and longer lasting, still if well kept.

  52. kickstart said...
    Saturday April 18, 2009 at 10:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well,well,so the government is helping us taxpayers,and the environment eh?

    Not at all, when everyone starts to realise just how much polution is created just by energy expended and natural resources in order to produce the nice shiny “green” car.And then there’s the token(or should that be take-on) lower car tax bracket.

    What happens if you are unlucky enough, like me not to be able to afford a new or almost new car-should i be penalised even though my “green credentials ” dont gel.

    The way things were when people used traditional scrapyards made so much more sense.
    No dumped,vandalised or torched cars appeared then.

    Another example, some idiot sideswiped my father-in-laws 10 yr old astra damaging the doormirror.

    We were astounded, not only by the high price of new component(bearing in mind its not exactly rare) but also the dismantlers mark-up on a used mirror.

    So my point is just this,if our government gave us more of an incentive to properly maintain our EXISTING cars.
    Why should the vast majority then be compelled to waste the large-and really unrealistic list prices charged here in Great Britain ?.

  53. Flyer said...
    Sunday April 19, 2009 at 9:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I agree with Kickstart. I can’t afford to buy a new car even with the £2000 from the government or dealers so the only way that I could get one would be a straight swap. The incentive that Kichstart is talking about would be to put all old cars into the low tax bracket. I am being punished for not having the money to pay for a new car even with the £2000 even if it was £5000.

    Smoko about the rust on the body of my car, galvanised though it is, do you have a 20yr old car with no rust on it at all? Stop being so patronising.

  54. iRep_McLaren said...
    Monday April 20, 2009 at 7:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Look there is a simple solution to all this. To kick-start the economy the banks need to start lending money again in order to inspire some confidence into the people and get them spending money which in turn would get the economy moving again. That would have a knock on effect in the motor industry because suddenly people will start buying cars again. There is no real need for all this nonsense of scrappin ur old car and being given £2000 to buy a newer, more economic car because the government when u think a bout it is giving money away and how are they gonna over come that? An increase petrol prices obviously and the last thing we need is an increase in the price of petrol. The economy is at a stand still at the moment so hows bout get it moving again. Banks start lending money and people start buying cars. Simple as!

  55. Joseph Airton said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 6:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Increase Petrol? £2000 for scrapping your pride and joy? Darling being a complete Berk? Doritos? OK maybe not the last part but whenever the government decides to put a plan into action you always know something bad is going to happen. As soem of you may know the government is giving people money to drive a snot box like a G-Wiz placing your life in danger for the sake of £3000+ a year….DOESN’T THE GOVERNMENT KNOW WERE ARE IN SOMETHING CALLED A RECESSION!!!!!! THEY REALLY ARE BUNCH OF SUIT WEARING, ARSE KISSING PIECES OF S£$% THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN A POST OFFICE LET ALONE A KEY POSITION(S) OF THE UK’S GOVERNMENT!!! Anyway the idea of scrapping old cars for money might be appealing now but what will happen when the scrapies of the UK can’t cope? What will happen if the government suddenly stop paying? Take a leaf out of May and Clarkson’s book buy old cars restore them and sell them on in main forecourts that’ll mean a demand for engineers, carpinters all the traditional jobs that Britain has lost because “we didn’t need them” people will start to buy these cars and all the modern materials will replace the rotten corodded ones in these magnificent machines faith will not be restored in the British system but the demand for British engineers will….. What I am trying to say is buy durable cars rather than crummy little euroboxes that are made out of plastic!! forgive me if this doesn’t make sense!!! :D

  56. williamozzy said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 7:52 am Link to comment Report comment

    i have a lovely 1991 mercedes e230te in great condition but we want to trade it for something smaller but if we do that this possible future classic of ours will be scrapped, i want the money off a smart but the cars in to good a nick for the scrapyard, as is my mums ford focus, thats in brilliant nick with barely any miles so its a waste of a car if it goes to the scrap yard.

    im in favour of the idea but i dont think all of them should be scrapped. maybe the good ones could be sold to young drivers or people who need a cheap car?

  57. williamozzy said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 7:56 am Link to comment Report comment

    oh another thing! if we are in recession where is the goverment getting this money from? ill tell u where our pockets when they increace income tax! so youll probably be more out of pocket even if you trade in your future classic(or scrap box). stupid!

  58. Trigger400 said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 3:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If the Government want to protect the British motor industry and save the planet, can I not exchange my decade-old car for a Triumph motorbike? It’s a fuel-efficient, congestion-easing way of getting from A-B and you’re actually buying Britsh. And it’s cheaper to buy and run a new motorbike than a car – £2k off of a brand new £14,000 Focus wouldn’t persuade someone really up against it to take the plunge but the same off a £5,500 Triumph Bonneville just might tempt people who perhaps rode in their youth to get back on a bike. It would boost the industry, and get people spending in shops on helmets, leathers etc. thus saving jobs, saving on plastics and other materials in production compared to a car, saving fuel and the environment through congestion-easing. What do you think?

  59. ShotgunMick said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 7:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I am in the same boat as many others on here. I have a ’96 Audi A4 which is running fine and like a member of the family. If I scrapped it I don’t have the extra cash to put towards a new replacement so this scheme is of no use to me at all.

  60. HSV said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 1:09 am Link to comment Report comment

    Their doing the same thing here in Australia you get rid of your 10 year+ car they crush it and give you $3,000 for it but the problem is new cars aren’t worth $3,000 over here their worth from $15,000 for a bad new car the average is between $25,000 and $40,000 so the $3,000 will get you a car alot worse than the one you had

  61. HSV said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 6:39 pm Link to comment Report comment

    and the cars are really rusty.

  62. Tom Ford said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 6:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Boogie Woogie Woogie!

  63. Nugwug said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 2:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hmm cynical to assume that the car industry as a whole has been working out how to handle the possibility of this for some time? Nah…

    If banks and their greed are to be blamed for the global economic situation, then surely car manufacturers are the next in line behind them? Afterall new cars and the mindset of continually changing them – eg every so many years via an ‘options’ scheme has to be one of the biggest status purchases after our homes.

    Coming a scant couple of months after public opinion, in the media, seemed to reveal a fair amount of disgust, at the prospect of our government following suit behind America, and bailing out the car industry. Is this a stealthy way of bailing out the industry, under the guise of money going into the consumer’s hands?

  64. Nugwug said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 2:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    T’aint nothing more than greed… The comment a while back about using trades is right. We should be taking care of what we have. A car is too big an investment to be discarded on the whim of £2K. The skills used to be maintain/repair/service are too valuable to lose also. We should be investing in our mechanics and engineers – not continuing to add to the coffers of companies who cannot hack the fact that in such dire economic straits are simply not that important. Yes we still love and need our cars (and bikes!) but that’s just it. Our cars and bikes – not fecking new ones!

  65. tg dog3 said...
    Monday April 27, 2009 at 3:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    theyre doing here in ireland too. and most cars here are more than 10 years old mainly corollas and civics. which hugely reliable and fairly economical. its a a waste of time and money. i too am in the same boat im a 21 yr old student who doestnt 15keuros to spend on a new car, besides my 12 year old corolla is brilliant nothing at all has gone wrong with it.

    we all should invest in the 2nd hand car industry. its a waste of money buying new cars especiallt the amount of depreciation that occurs when you drive out the forcourt thats the governmemt loan to consumers gone in a matter of yards!!!! a bunch of greedy fools.

  66. David Miller said...
    Tuesday May 12, 2009 at 2:54 am Link to comment Report comment

    Why dont you guys join the 21st century? Have you brits herd of high definition?You shod take a look at it.How ever you might have to use soft focus for Clarkson or he might scare small kids and old ladies.Keep up the good work.Us car guys need something to watch.alsow try testing 2009 ford pickup,you brits will be amazed!Then you can under stand why it the best selling wheels on the planet,it not because not all of us in the USA are in to incest Clarkson! I thought that was a euro thing,read your history! GOOD DAY ALLL

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