It happened then. Get your £2k here.

Posted by Paul Horrell at 12:52 pm on Wednesday April 22, 2009

The UK Government has announced its scrappage scheme. You get £2000 to scrap a car that’s 10-years-old or more, the £2k going towards a new car. I still can’t see much to commend the scheme. See here for the reasons why. But no doubt the debate will heat up as the details emerge, so if anyone wants to change my mind, I’m listening. You know where the comments box is.

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  1. sandy said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 1:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    First point.

    People in cars over 10 years old don’t buy new cars.

    Second point.

    How many cars over 10 years old are on our roads. I’ve just driven home from Exeter and didn’t see any.

  2. Blackcircles.com said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 1:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It’s vital that strict conditions are attached to the car scrappage scheme to ensure that it generates real economic and environmental benefits to the country and is not simply a ruse for manufacturers to balance their books.

    Although newer cars are likely to deliver some emissions reductions, there is little clear evidence to suggest those savings are significant. We’ve seen plenty of surveys where even hybrid vehicles are not necessarily the greenest option, so this element has to be properly investigated.

    The other danger is that the £2,000 grants simply encourage people to bring forward their car buying decisions by a year or two, thus leaving another black hole in 18 months’ time. Clearly, the government’s aim is to protect manufacturing jobs, and it needs to ensure that the present package actually delivers that protection.

    Without the necessary checks and balances, this becomes just another example of the government taking a short-sighted measure to bail out a failing industry that refuses to take responsibility for its own difficulties.

  3. Old Banger said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It could actually end up with the result that people with cars that are 8 or 9 years old will wait to buy a new car.

  4. mic157 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i drive an alfa 155 V6 , 13 years old and i wouldnt scrap it for a piece of modern junk

  5. C J said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    There are actually quite a few cars still on the road that are more than 10 years old, and I’ve seen loads today. It will really help people out who otherwise wouldn’t have been able to afford a new car in the first place, I reckon. I mean, if Nissan opt in to the scheme, they could be selling their new Pixo to people who scrap their cars for £3995 – £3995 for a brand new car isn’t bad going! Still, it’s a slightly flawed scheme!

  6. C J said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Also, this scheme is only going on until March 2010, so not many people will be waiting – they’ll have to get their skates on! And you also need to have owned the car for 12 months or more before you get it scrapped.

  7. Stig's Irish Cousin said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Once again the governments come up with great ideas for people who actually have a bit of money rather than helping out those who are broke. If you are broke and think you are “saving” £2000 by buying a new car then you’ll get a worse price for the car at the garage and so not get that much of a deal and probably need a loan too so that will no doubt eat into the so called saving. Basically it’s stacked in favour of the flash Harry car dealers and those lovable bankers not the ordinary motorist – great policy!! When we had the scrappage scheme in Ireland many garages gave a minimum of £1000 off ANY car in the forecourt, so that at least gave a chance to the not so well off.

  8. PetrolHead247 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The government have been hiding the real reason for these new schemes a little. It’s so all the old, less environmentally friendly and less fuel efficient cars are taken off the road and are replaced with a shiny new more eco friendly model. So, just like in any comment of mine there is a ‘but’.

    But, how many new cars cost £2000? None, but this is more helpful to people who can’t afford shiny new cars. For example; If you owned a 1985 Ford Capri 1.6, a bit rusty, engine near death with 170,000 miles, value, £400. So if you scrap it you’d get profit of £1,600 to go towards a newer car, great!

    But what if you collect classic cars, build replicas or buy old bangers and put ridiculously large engines in them. I’m sure they don’t want their pride & joys crushed and stored in a scrap yard for £2k.

    So for people who have 10+ year old bangers who can’t afford to replace them this scheme is great, but if the government is trying to help people to buy 3 year old cars at the oldest possible, then this scheme is granted a shambles.

  9. andy66 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:39 pm Link to comment Report comment

    if you have a car that’s 10+ years old, then you’re either keeping a vintage car which means the car itself’s gonna be worth a lot more than £2,000, imagine you had a ferrari daytona. or in the other case as the government probably intends, you’re not gonna spend £40,000+ on a jaguar land rover and the car of your choice will either be a citron(french), renault(french) or nissan(japanese). in none of these cases the money goes to the pocket of british car makers and hence save any british job. why government doesn’t subsidise every new xf or freelander to eliminate completely the initiative to buy german? that’ll work!

  10. Ash said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:42 pm Link to comment Report comment

    20 years i can understand. But 10?

    I think they’re just copying Malaysia (a country that’s close buddies with the UK in terms of trade etc). Malaysia has had this scheme for years. However, they also charge 300% tax for foreign cars (so only protons and peroduas are viable options there) and they’ve BANNED Lotuses. Plus their government spent nearly the country’s entire budget on tarting up Kuala Lumpur International Airport in a bid to attract more tourists.

    I’ve heard of ‘Monkey See, Monkey Do’ but this is more like ‘See Monkey, Do Monkey’.

    I doubt too many people will make use of this scheme. I’m currently looking at a low mileage C4 Corvette for £6000. What new car can I get for 8k (6k + 2k from the government)? A Peugeot?

    You see my point.

  11. A said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I live in Germany, where this scheme has been running for a few months now. The one person I know who has opted for it, didn’t do it because he wanted a new car. Nor did he do it to save the planet. He did it because he was going to scrap his car, and so gifted it to a friend who wanted a new one. They didn’t even buy a German car.

    I think this is a ridiculous idea – because old 1 lady owner mark 2 Golfs will be scrapped, so that Grandma Mabel can buy her new Nissan Micra for a bit cheaper.

  12. Joseph Airton said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 3:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    As I am new to the road and I am taking my test this year I have followed the family tradition of getting a Classic Mini for a first car, my Mini is 22 years old on a F-reg plate, this hereby makes my lovely little motor under seige by the government wanting my cars entrails hanging off a crusher….I am not going to let them. I do agree with Andy66’s point about vintage cars and saving the British car i.e Noble, Ariel etc but instead of scrapping our pride and joy how about pass your car down through the family removing more cars off the road saving the planet without having to be put in crummy eco boxes such as the G-Wiz….The government with the amount of their schemes is starting to look like the “Ant Hill Mob” out of Wacky Races the really do need to book their ideas up….

  13. Wobbletastic said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 4:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I don’t think 2K is going to get me anywhere near a heap of new plastic junk. Modern cars are a bit rubbish.

  14. Mark Singleton said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 4:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It worked a few years ago over here in Ireland!

  15. Ash said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 4:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    TG won’t thank me for this, but here’s my view on the matter. It’s a bit more detailed than the one on here. :)

    http://www.drivenmagazine .co.uk/2009/04/22/get-pai d-to-buy-a-new-car/

    Ok. i’ll stop advertising now. :P

  16. Kuang said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    First of all I have to say that I don’t subscribe to the ‘old cars are better than new ones’ argument one bit. There are *some* old cars that have *some* properties that are nicer than *some* new cars, granted, but there’s no way you’re going to tell me that am Allegro is better than a Focus, or a Marina is more entertaining than a Mondeo. To accept that argument would mean that all R&D paid for by manucfacturers oer the last 50 years or so has been wasted. Some old cars are likable, but the majority are a pain in the backside.

    As for the scrappage scheme – I find it surprising that the motor industry can find a grand per car to give away at a time when they’re claiming to make next to no profit on many models. You could knock that off a Citroen for yourself, so I can’t help thinking companies will alleviate the financial burden of the scheme by slowly increases prices on the forecourt.. much like Ford have done recently, in fact, although I accept that’s more likely a response to the weak pound.

    Sourcing of parts and indeed entire vehicles from other countries may be part of the issue here though – does anyone know how many people are involved in building cars in the UK compared to all other connected industries? I would imagine it’s not that many. Most of the money will therefore pour out to manufacturers in other countries instead of backing up the Bitish industry. Why not give incentives to buy cars that are made here, and see if that pushes manufacturers into tooling up to build more models at home?

    One thing that’ll cause disappointment will be the reduction in the number of cheap older cars for people who can’t afford a new one but still need transport. You always stood the chance of picking up an aging but serviceable old crate as the owner upgraded, but now anything that’d sell for less that £2k will be worth more as a trade-in. £2k currently gets you a hell of a lot of car at the bottom end of the market.

    Still, with the amount of damage it’ll do to used car prices across the board, that may not be a problem for long..

  17. John said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 4:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If this scheme really does take off, how are all the young first time car buyers like me supposed to buy a nice cheap old car? It’l result in a shortage of these cars, possibly putting their prices up!!

  18. ferrari Deano said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 4:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Previous comments are absolutely right! Who is out there driving scrappable 10year old+ cars and are looking to buy a brand new model? There are a number of flaws in this new incentive…including the fact that surely a lot of people (especially young people) are going to trade in there aging student fiesta’s against new cars with finance and thereby putting yet more drivers into the debt circle? Also i agree with Andy66. These incentives are going to be used to pay for foreign breed motor vehicles, so the a large percentage of the motoring incentive is going to head for foreign lands?
    There are a lot of sub 2k vehicles out there that are very good cars, low mileage, 1/2 owner vehicles. Will this not create a dilemma with the owners when they come to sell cars that they have always looked after with pride and joy?
    Safe and happy motoring… Ferrari Deano

  19. InColeraineHelp said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 5:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Just spoke to a dealer, as mentioned before elsewhere, their discounts are disappearing when this hits the road. Pity those who don’t have a car to scrap……..

  20. rustymx5 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So in order to qualify, it has to be roadworthy and have an mot? What is the sense in that? Allegedly they claim it will bring beneficial green issues – complete balls. Did anyone, at any point, take into consideration the amount of CO2 produced in actually making a car? It makes far more sense to keep an old car (I can’t believe 10 years counts as old now but hey) running then buy a flimsy prius that won’t last.

  21. Paul Horrell said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 5:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Sandy (1) – There are just short of 10 million 10+ year-old cars on UK roads.

    A (11) – partly because of this German loophole, you have to prove you have owned the car for a year before you qualify.

    19 Coleraine (19) – Yup agree with you. Discounts will melt away. That’s what I said in my blog a couple of weeks back http://foreman.blogs.topg ear.com/2009/04/03/dont-b e-fooled-by-the-new-car-c arrot/

  22. Mark1892 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 5:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well I for think its a good idea. I ordered a new corsa 2 weeks ago for the wife due to the offer from vauxhall of £1000 recycling allowance for my 1997 vectra which has 161000 miles on the clock, is only worth a couple of hundred quid, drinks the fuel and kicks out a lot crap from the exhaust. even better if i got 2k for it. Now just wondering if to see where i stand with cancelling my order or delaying it until the scheme kicks in. An extra grand is a big incentive.

  23. Le Rat imprudent said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 6:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Thinng is, the way the new car market is at the moment you can easily get 20% discount on new cars, without even trading in your old banger, and probably a bit more on a more expensive new car, so what’s the point? All government smoke & mirrors again.

  24. Mark1892 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 6:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i got £2300 discount off the aforementioned corsa then another grand for my banger. if your not looking for a new car then of course its not gonna interest ya but if you are, it can only be a good thing for new car buyers. although im not sure how its gonna kick start the british manufacturing businesses. it shud really have been for cars built in this country.

  25. Tom L said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 6:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Surely this will only make it worse. Does this mean that will be no cars on sale in britain for under £2000? I am going to buy my first car in the next 6 months and won’t be able to afford one now.

  26. Tom L said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 6:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I would also like to add that the Government has made a petrolheads worst nightmare a reality, most future classics are now at risk. BMW 3-Series, Audi 80s and many others will all go to scrap, unless their owners really love them.

  27. FifthGear Sucks! said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 6:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So I could get 2 grand for a 1993 Vauxall Senator?

  28. orkneyman001 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 6:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ok.. Over here in Ireland I have a 1995 Vauxhall Corsa that drives perfect and recently passed its NCT (Irish M.O.T.). I service it every few months and the tester commented that the emissions were comparable to a pre ’00 modern car. Why would I dispose of a 14 year old perfectly functional car to get £2000 off the cost of a new one and be worse off by having to get a loan to pay for the rest of the car??? Whilst i understand the scheme would get the smokey old donkeys off the road, what about those cars that have been well-looked after and cherished?? I won’t pass it off to my kids as I don’t have any and where i live public transport is as convienient as passing a kidneystone….

  29. saveapenny said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 7:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i Have been waiting for this and am glad he has done it. I want a new car, have all ways wanted one, but never had the cash deposit to put down on one. my car is 13 years old and is ready for the scrapheap so if they want to give me 2,000 for it, thanks. If I had a clasic I would not even think of this deal. I just whant to buy the Skoda Roomster so hope skoda go in for the deal.

  30. PetrolHead247 said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 7:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So the government are using £1,000 from the car industry and the other half from the tax payers, A.K.A, us.

    So lets say you have £7,500 to spend on a car and you have an old banger you want to scrap for that extra £2,000. You want to replace it with a brand new base spec Toyota IQ. The price of this excellent small car is £9,495. But the VAT on this is £1,424 so technically you’ve lost £424 because out of the £2,000 you would have payed half of that in tax.

  31. Allan said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 8:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    this is all spin, we all know we pay more Tax than anyone else in Europe, the Government isn’t giving us anything that they’re not going to take right back from under our very noses, and as for the Car Manufacturers all they’ll do is increase the price of their cars.
    One way the government is going to fund this venture and replenish it’s cofers is this other spin on reducing the speed limit to 20 and 50 miles an hour to save a further 1000 lives on our roads.
    The trouble with this is that we’re all experienced drivers and we’re used to driving at 30miles an hour and 60 miles an hour, so how many of us are now going to get caught speeding?, and of cause nobody has questioned the fact that our great cars will spew more rubbish that will harm the enviroment because the cars will take longer to warm up and use more fuel as car designers haven’t developed the combustion engine to run for extended periods of time at the same speed as a Cyclist

  32. woody said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 8:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    what we should all do is buy loads of old cars to scrap then get an aston. (not to scrap obviousley)

  33. NBorg said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 8:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I think that even the very selling point of this scheme is flawed. While new cars doubtless emit less grams of C02 per km, what is the carbon footprint of producing each new car to replace a ten year old one? I suspect it may be a little higher…

  34. Nathan said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 9:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    All right! Seems good!

  35. Ape F said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 9:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The scrap scheme is a great idea to boost car sales, although it will only affect people with cars worth less than £2,000.

    My Dad for example, has an old Mondeo bought years ago for £2K. He’ll now swap it for a new car and he’s had years of FREE motoring!

    The farce however, is claiming that this is ‘green’. Scrapping a perfectly roadworthy car to buy a new one, even if the old car is a Porsche 944 and the replacement is a Honda Insight, is perhaps the most un-green motoring anyone could possibly do. It will however, mean less deaths on the roads (a higher proportion of safer cars) and cleaner air.

    Thanks you Darling.

  36. will said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 9:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    woooooooooooo this means i can get a tata nano and they will also give me a few quid as well….. HEAVEN!

    …. if only they sold them in the uk…. LOL!

  37. scott said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 9:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    just wondering… if you buy some old cars in say… auto trader for £500, then get them all scraped for £2000 each… your making £1500 profit on every car… did they think that bit out or what? cause if not thats going to bugger up the whole money problem that we have. or it might just get me that ferrari i have always dreamed about… plus to be honest i am a new driver which means i am more likely to crash… and i dont really want to crash a shiney new car instead of say a ford feista mk3 as the repair price will be completely different.

  38. Rob said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 10:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Despite what JC says about them, I drive a 1999 T-plate Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI 110. It’s just past it’s 10th birthday so qualifies for the scrappage scheme. But why would I want to scrap it? It’s done 65500 miles, it’s had two previous owners (first Peugeot, then my Dad), it’s completely mint both inside and outside and it’s the most reliable car I have ever owned (two Fiats, two Citroens, two Fords). If I wanted to replace it for a decent spec Focus, I’m looking at the thick end of £18k before extras and scrappage. Sorry Mr Darling, I’m not falling for it!

  39. EuropeanCarFan said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 11:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’ll be keeping my 1997 Alfa Romeo GTV, thanks anyway Gordon.

    Was looking to sell my old 99 Xantia though, cold-heartedly using the £2k scheme as a carrot, but the car has to have been owned for 12 months, and I heard, it has to be MOTd as well?

    What’s the point in scrapping a usable car that has an MOT?

    Future classics will end up in the crusher.

  40. Mikeado said...
    Wednesday April 22, 2009 at 11:52 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So any car from 1999 backwards.

    Yaaaaaaaayyy there’ll be nothing for students to buy soon except for actually-not-so-rubbish cars they can’t quite affors and old Minis that people care too much about to scrap.

    Not much scope there, really. Good thing I’ve got a Mini. People will bend over for it soon enough…

  41. redrobbo said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 12:04 am Link to comment Report comment

    Well I think the scrappage scheme is a disgrace. Now that Austin / MG / Rover group is no more, and cannot defend its honour with new car sales, the demise of our proud national heritage of Maestros, Metros and Montegos will be hastened. A tragedy worthy of an Italian opera. Hang on, no, that’ll be an Alfa Romeo.

  42. Kilroy said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 1:30 am Link to comment Report comment

    I’m a teenager and can’t wait to get driving and my plan was to buy a 1980s-1990’s car. Now my selection of cars is spoiled because this subsidy will limit my car selection in both the new car market and the used-car market.
    1.It will be more difficult for me to find a used car who’s price has not increased
    2.A selection if cars is gone from the used-car world forever because they were sent to the scrapyard.
    3.The new cars prices will increase because many discounts will be abolished and my only car selection for this market is really tiny, cheap cars! For example, the Ford Ka, Kia’s :P, etc. The only new cars I would want being small are the Toyota Aygo; the Fiat Panda or 500; and the Citroen C1 .
    All in all its either I’m going to have a really hard time finding a used car I like, or basically having a new car and finding it easily but hating it.

  43. Motor Man said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 7:39 am Link to comment Report comment

    Does this incentive mean we’ll lose a few models for ever on our roads, to be viewed only in museums? I for one won’t be parting with my mk1 Golf GTI!

  44. Mikeado said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 7:48 am Link to comment Report comment

    Mark1892 (22 & 24), it may be ok if you wanted to get a new car anyway, and there are proably many people who’d do the same. But I couldn’t use this scheme.

    You say you swapped a Vectra (big car) for a shiny new Corsa (small car). Well our family car, a Peugeot 406 (valued by Parkers at under £2k) has just stopped working after 6 long years, but it would need to be swapped for another big car, because we need the space.

    An equivalent 407 costs £18,745, and that’s not even a car I’d want. A Mondeo or Insignia will cost yet more, so adding £2k to the budget is like putting more water in a nearly-full bath by pissing in it. It doesn’t really add much.

  45. whataloadofb****x said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 8:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    erm, what of those people like myself who struggle to live as it is and want to save up thier hard won cash to spend it on a little banger of a car for transport to get to more far afield work places to improve their chances of better pay?? when this comes in, cheap runarounds will not exsist any more, thus making affordable transport for the masses more unachiveable than it is currently… the government need sacking, the lot of them, asap.

  46. kef said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 9:08 am Link to comment Report comment

    In my view here is the squeeze. Most people who own and run a car of that required age for the £2000 will generally be of “lower income”.. I dont mean that in a degenerative way, let see it from the government point. So Mr darling has basically said go and get a new car and get into more debt (unless u have savings to pay for the car), in a time when you dont really want more debt.. What they are not telling you is that at some point in the future Interest rates will have to rise fast to combat the quantative easing that is being undertaken. In my view .. be careful.

  47. wabbit said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 9:39 am Link to comment Report comment

    I come from a country that is one of the major automotive parts suppliers to European car manufacturing countries, the biggest and most important client being Germany. And what does that have to do with German scrap scheme I hear you ask. Answer lies in the following number: at least a 30% increase in orders of various components needed for assembly of German cars. Some of these supplier companies in my country have to employ extra people now to cope with all the orders. Yeah, employing extra people, in these times! Sounds crazy, doesn’t it? But that’s a direct effect of that scheme. Considering how intertwined EU economy is, it’s not only the potential new car buyer and the car company itself that benefit from the scrap scheme. Think of all the other EU industry that’s involved in car manufacturing. Think big, people. We are all in this mess together.

    And please, don’t tell me that some John Doe’s 12 year old Fiesta isn’t worth scrapping for a new car. Fiesta isn’t exactly a rare collector’s item, expected to rise in value over time. Scrapping a 12 or a 20 year old Ferrari is a different thing. Only an idiot would suggest scrapping that for a new car.

  48. AndyGill said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 10:54 am Link to comment Report comment

    This scheme is so hilariously inept it’s hard to fathom what, if any, benefit it will have. At a time when car manufacturers are struggling to sell anything, the government introduces a scheme whereby the manufacturer has to pay to be a part of it! Quite where Alistair Darling thinks they will get the money from, is anyone’s guess. Also, how many people who can afford to buy a new car are currently chugging around in a 10-year-old smoker? I’ll tell you: not very many.
    It’s also a pity this scheme doesn’t include cars up to one year old – ex-demos and the like. This would have had a much bigger effect, not least because if you buy a car it loses £1000 in depreciation as soon as it’s off the forecourt. So in effect the govt scheme is only worth £1000.
    I reckon you’d be much better off selling your old banger for whatever you can get and then buying a 1-2 year old car – there are some real bargains out there now.

  49. dc said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 11:12 am Link to comment Report comment

    whats better ferrari or aston martin or lambigi sorry i cant spell im a kid

  50. J8 said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 11:34 am Link to comment Report comment

    I just got 2k off a screen price from a dealer, puls he valued my car well over the ‘blue book’ for trade in. All that without the scrappage scheme. So will this really make a difference?
    p.s. this was a mid range car btw, nothing fancy or expensive!

  51. Vic said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 11:40 am Link to comment Report comment

    So let me see if I have this right:
    The car has to have been regestered in the UK no later that 1999. It must be taxed MOT’d, and have been in my ownership for at least the last 12 months. The scheme will last until March 2010, so no use getting something now to trade in.
    Basically this would only work if you aaready had the car and were willing to go get finance on a new car.
    Is this REALLY going to help?

  52. Damian said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 11:57 am Link to comment Report comment

    Czy program Top Gear odwiedzi kiedyś Polskę.Przyjedzcie do nas

  53. Damian said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Przestańcie rozwalać polskie samochody. Rozwalajcie w programie waszym Astony Martiny, Land Rovery . Byłbym wam wdzięczny gdybyście pokazywali więcej samochodów terenowych. Kiedy odwiedzicie Polskę. A o waszych angielskich samochodach żal mówić

  54. Grumpy Old Man said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 12:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I drive a 10 year old BMW Touring, which cost me £1200. I bought this car not because I cannot afford a new one, but because I like the E36 BMW Touring. I have no wish to saddle myself with a huge debt, just so that I can park a ´better’ new car on my drive, which does nothing more than my E36. To suggest a car over 10 years old is merely fit for scrap is not only completely un-environmentally friendly, it is total nonsense. Another farcical government scheme, poorly implemented and lacking in substance, which fails to address the real issues. Will I be ´trading up´ to something better ? Not on your nelly, my next purchase will be a 325 E30 …

  55. rayzz said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 12:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    just thinking of going to scrap yard buy some old bangers to buy some new fleet vehicles £2000each 20 motors £40,000 in the coffers then the tax back
    wot a bargin some one find that loop hole
    they say you need to own the motor a year befor scrappage buy scap now and order you 60 plate now

  56. Mark1892 said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 1:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Some people are missing the point and not reading it all. its gonna end in march 2010 so if you bought one now you still wouldnt be able to get 2k for it. unless they extend it of course.

  57. jones said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 1:52 pm Link to comment Report comment

    A 10 yr old car would be a T/V reg. is that really old in terms of tech, safety, performance, image, etc?
    T plate audi s8 for 7k would be much appreciated!!
    If i traded this in would I get anything close to it in terms of tech, safety, performance, image, etc?
    I think not. though an I30 might be close hahahahahahahahahahahahah ah

  58. Ape F said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 2:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I wish people would stop moaning about how the scheme won’t make them trade in their old car for a new one so therefore it’s pointless. For some people this WILL make a difference, and it WILL convince them to buy a new car, thus helping our battered motor industry.

    Yes, it’s not very green, yes ‘future classics’ will be crushed and yes there will be a reduced stock of older cheaper cars but it’s only for a year. Everything will be back to normal by next April and this may just save some jobs. What’s not to like?

  59. Bobber said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 2:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I own a ’98 polo, it on its last legs an probably exactly what darling wants crushed. Would I take a voucher for UPTO £2000???
    NO. simply because even if I did the cheapest car I could find is picanto or matiz which is even less practical than the polo AND I’ll have to get a Loan three grand for the pleasure! which will cost me the earth… people drive sub 2k cars because they can’t afford anything more. so my answer to the schemeis: Not tonight Darling, I’m not in the mood!

  60. Datostar said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 2:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well I’ve had a 2.0 RXE Megane ’97 registered from new and I can certainly afford a new car. I’ve always kept my cars for years until they become uneconomic. Be a shame to see a fast, reliable and comfortable car (55,000 miles) go to the crusher but there’s no way I’d get £2K for it any other way..

  61. Trigger400 said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 3:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If the Government want to protect the British motor industry and save the planet, can I not exchange my decade old car for a Triumph motorbike? It’s a fuel-efficient, congestion-easing way of getting from A-B and you’re actually buying Britsh. And it’s cheaper to buy a new motorbike than a car – £2k off of a brand new £14,000 Focus wouldn’t persuade someone really up against it to take the plunge but the same off a £5,500 Triumph Bonneville just might tempt people who perhaps rode in their youth.

  62. Rockettpunk said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 4:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I drive a 25 year old car and NO WAY would I shop it in for £2k off a Modern, pile of crap, dull car.

    My car is FAR more environmentally friendly, purely bacause I’m RECYCLING someone elses brand new car of 25 years ago. Rather than it ending up rotting in a scrap yard / landfill.

    Rediculous Idea.

    Plus, many classic and retro cars are going to be lost in this scheme from people who wouldn’t know better.

    Why not set a tax system that increases the ammount of tax dependant on what car you buy?

    I.E. Buy a 1.8 Diesel Mondeo for example and get charged a normal amount of added tax.

    Buy a Chevvy Matiz and pay less added tax.

    Buy Hummer and pay an extra amount of added tax.

    This can go back into the car manufacturing businesses and fund any short falls.

  63. Joseph Airton said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 4:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I am sick and tired of the governments money “saving” plans….you all no that they are all going to fall through taking the UK down with it…. As for this plan however it is full of holes as all of you are saying and I have to reiterate what is the point? Iam a student with an ’88 Mayfair with that number one money idiot Brown with his dead mouse eyebrow Darling and even Big Boris having a go you might as well leave the UK what else is there part from Clarkson, May and Hamster? In fact employ Clarkson as the PM, Motoring Minister and May as the Defence secetary with Hammond head of errrrrrr tea! You might as well! We can’t do any worse! Three blokes running the UK who don’t look like embarassments!
    P.S.Darling has interchangeable eyebrows!

  64. from burton on trent said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    its not very good…. not many people are going to have a 10 yr old car ( mainly students and graduents) but how are they still going to afford a new car even with £2000 knocked off??
    i think a car 5yrs- 10yrs £1000 and any car over 10years £2000

  65. Rockettpunk said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    There are masses of 10+ yr cars on the road. I my self have owned over 10 in the last 7 years.

    Each of which I have restored so some degree, saved masses of money in servicing, and really enjoyed DRIVING… something you don’t do in a modern car…

    But yes, you are 100% right that many people who are running 10+ yr cars are doing it for 1 reason… they are cheap. Hence aren’t going to be willing to shell out 8k+ for a new car which will cost £300 or more to sevice.

  66. Rockettpunk said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 4:42 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @ 55.

    You have to have owned the car for 12 months plus.

    Otherwise even I would like this scheme!! :P

  67. dave said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm Link to comment Report comment

    scheme is epic fail because you dont get a good discount if you go through this route. i’ve ordered a citroen c4 if i went through the scrap scheme i would of paid £8000 but i went for the citroen pay the vat deal so thats £1700 off the car. and they gave me £500 for my peugeot 106 so i payed £7800 so saved my self £200 for not opting for this scheme :D

  68. Tinman said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 5:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I have just imported a 10 year old WRX STI from Japan. It has many years left on it.
    Perhaps now my old vauxhall 2.2 CDX will increase in value: I sell it to you for £1500 (£500 more than it’s worth), then you get the bonus of trading it in towards your new car for £2500.
    Therefore, Me £500 better off, you £1000 better off. Good, innit!!

  69. Jack said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 5:30 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This is a silly idea, what are you going to do with all those extra scrapped cars? And this is probably going to be paid for (the government bit) by the tax payer, which is just a waste of money.

  70. Chris said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I was really looking forward to this scheme to replace a 12yr old Fiesta that’s unlikely to get through its next MOT. Unfortunately the MOT runs out before I’ve owned it for a year so unless I want to spend money getting it MOT’d before its scrapped I can’t use the scheme. I’m not willing to spend the cash so I’ll sell it cheap and buy another banger. Thought the gov wanted me to buy a new greener car !

  71. allyw71 said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 8:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    In last years budget, did they not introduce a new car buyers tax of approx £1000 on most cars. So all they’re really doing is taking that away, and the dealers are offering less of a discount than they normally would.
    There is a good side, if a lot of people take up the offer (unlikely), then there will be an abundance of cars in the breakers, more second hand parts than demand = cheaper parts from the scrappy making motoring even cheaper for those who decide to hang on to there old cars.
    I don’t think the values of old cars will change, a serviceable r reg mondeo worth £250 will still be worth £250, there’s no way anyone is going to pay £2000 for it in a private sale.
    Another thing, I bet there will be unscrupulous who will take in a perfectly good 10year old car, give it a new identity from a completely knackered car in their yard and sell it on for a tidy profit. The whole system is wholly flawed, VOTE LABOUR.

  72. Coops said...
    Thursday April 23, 2009 at 10:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This scheme will appeal to many people: just no one who’s 1) interested enough in cars to read this and 2) interested in getting value for money.

    I have a car that qualifies: a ’98 Jeep worth about £500 due to high miles. It has an LPG conversion though, so is somewhat green.

    However, I’d rather trade it in for a 3 year old car than a new one. Save £2K on a new one, and then loose £2K on its value in the first 3 months…no thanks!! Rather, buy a 3 year old and save £10K!!

  73. Matt said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 1:15 am Link to comment Report comment

    Blackcircles said:
    It’s vital that strict conditions are attached to the car scrappage scheme to ensure that it generates real economic and environmental benefits to the country and is not simply a ruse for manufacturers to balance their books.

    Well it won’t generate any long term benefits at all, but they are attaching the condition that the car must have been registered to its previous owner for at least one year, and the end date for this promotion is March 2010. So at the least the car must have registered to the current owner in March 2009 to qualify.

    My own feeling is that if I were to trade in my lovely ’99 323i BMW, the current equivalent model is £24-£27K! Even if I COULD afford it, a four year old E90 is so much cheaper, I’d rather buy that instead just as ‘coops’ said. Being unemployed I understand the graveness of the situation, but this is just not going to help anyone except the car dealers in the short term, and it may harm them in the long term.

  74. Student said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 1:35 am Link to comment Report comment

    Oh for crying out loud, all the comments so far have either been from people with too much money or people with ‘classic’ cars.

    10 years is 1999 people, what about mondeos…Ka’s, Fiestas, Seicentos…etc:

    £2,000 for cars that are not worth that in scrap or private sale is brilliant for people that want to make the leap to their first new car.

    When I go to buy my first ever new car (if I can), It will likely be around the 6-7k mark. It’s a no brainier to trade in a 1999 ford KA or similar to get two grand off the list price.

    I think this is a brilliant policy to help people who want a new car on the cheap, It’s not designed for people who want to spend 15k+ on a car…or love classics…

    for crying out loud their trying to help people with not much money get a reliable cheap to run car…and at the same time support the car industry…and the scrapping thing is optional, if you have a classic…don’t trade it in…simple?

    When they FORCE cars over 10 years old to be scrapped…then I will moan.

  75. Carfan3 said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 7:16 am Link to comment Report comment

    two thousand pounds is way to much for an old wreck! £500 at a push I’d say! If it was an OK car £2000 maybe but if it was say a new Ford Mondeo £7500 would maybe be OK to be scrapped!

  76. Ogre said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 9:37 am Link to comment Report comment

    A friend said recentions not bad because it gets rid of a lot rubbish! All the cowboys soon dissapear, I agree.
    The motor industry has been charging us too much for mediocre to poor service for too long! Why should Darling bail them out so they can carry on ripping us off?
    Let them (motor industry) sort out their own mess.

  77. blockbuy said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 10:44 am Link to comment Report comment

    The scheme is a waste of time.

    £1k comes from the Gov,
    £1k comes from the motor industry

    The gov have introduced the showroom tax
    the motor industry have increased their prices

    the net diff is not £2k to the punter.

    Waste of time.

  78. SXx said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 11:49 am Link to comment Report comment

    At the end of the day we don’t get anything. We are all still paying for this, through taxation.
    ‘BORN FREE TAXED TO DEATH!’

  79. rich said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 12:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Buy a new car and lose 4k driving it off the fore court,,cant wait????

  80. first time buyer said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 12:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Good point,,if everyone scraps their car (which they wont cos they are skint you idiot govt.) there will be a gap in the market for 10-12 year old cars… I ll wait i think

  81. ottiian said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 2:54 pm Link to comment Report comment

    There seems to be an obsession with the age of a car in the UK. Our number plates proudly display the year a car was made, and twice annually there’s a rush to get the latest plate. The age of a vehicle is not the sole determiner of whether it’s fit for purpose.

  82. Colin Richards said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 3:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This should only apply to cars manufactured or assembled in the UK otherwise the money just goes abroad. This is typical of this government why keep things simple if you can make them complicated

  83. JGP. said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 3:20 pm Link to comment Report comment

    No-one appears to have given a thought that this is NOT about green or environment issues, but purely so that this government can unload a huge stockpile of cars that nobody is currently buying and gain more in tax than it gives away.

  84. Mondyman said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 3:21 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Another idiotic scheme from an incompetant government, give with one hand and take back with the other. Dealers were falling over themselves with excellent discounts, therefore lowering the taxation level on each sale – I’m getting a horse and cart!!

  85. Shane said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 3:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The scrapping scheme will be a nightmare for those looking to buy their first car and cheap classics will become impossible to find. I recently bought a 2000 fiesta for £850 and its a great car. Thanks to this new scheme it will get very hard to find a decent car for under £2000, what 17 year old can afford that?

    My father drives an ’85 Capri and ’93 orion. Both of these were bought for under £2000 and are extremely reliable. I don’t see the point in new cars. Everything is more expensive – new timing belt plus labour in a new suzuki gran vitara, £300, for an ’85 capri, £7! A new engine for a new car can be thousands but for many classic or even just old cars it is a few hundred. OLder cars are also much easier to work on and maintain. I am no mechanic but I would be able to sort most problems on the Capri whereas in modern cars one of the hardest parts of fixing a problem is actually finding it.

    Revamping motorsport in the UK would be a great idea. It would get the public interested again and may possibly save these bangors and classics – capris, orions, dolomites, minis etc. Its not a nice thought that these cars will be abused around a race track but I would rather watch a Capri destroyed on a track rather than in a crusher.

  86. Kirstz said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 4:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ermm I Don’t See The Good Idea In This;
    Is There Anyone Just As Confused?
    Theres A State In Swindon That Is Full Of Old Cars, And They Seem Happy With Them! So Whats The Point In This?!

  87. flange said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 4:20 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Er if you push hard enough you can get a £2K discount off a car anyhow.

    I would however Love to wander into a Lambo dealer and see the salesman when I offer and 1986 Nissan Sunny as a £2K trade in.

  88. dan said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 4:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    if a car has an mot y would this green gov want us to scrap it? also how does he expect all the unemployed of gb to go out and buy a brand new car just because hes knocking 2grand off if you give him yours which is worth a minimum of £500 quid anyway, that means when you get in your new car it wont actually lose 20% of its value on day 1 it will be £1500 quid short of 20% well done mr clever eye brows youve sorted out the whole credit crunch in one fell swoop… NOT

  89. dan said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 4:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    a bit off topic but labour r just waiting for tory to take over now and in 15 yrs labour will be saying we r here to give you people some good times after all your suffering with those high taxing torys, everyone will have forgotten that labour once again caused this and we will all be praising the reds, its so sad, we need a new system

  90. BK Whopper said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    What a complete waste of time, just buy a ‘new’ car that’s only 6 months old and you’ll save more than 2k anyway. Plus the fact that you can probably sell your 10 year old car privately for around 1k. Another government initiative that’s not really been thought through if you ask me.

  91. Adv Joe said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 7:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Yet more saving for the rich some rich toff gives me £750 for my rover then gets back 2 grand nice if you can afford it

  92. PaulE said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 9:48 pm Link to comment Report comment

    My 10 year old VW what was worth about £800 is now worth £2000 if i sell it i am £1200 up thank to the government and also Chancellor Alistair Darling.

  93. bonser said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 10:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i think that if I want to change my car buying another 12 year old range rover is in buget but 2k off a new eco box no thanks

  94. Jono said...
    Friday April 24, 2009 at 10:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Firstly, upwards of 80% of cars sold in the UK are imported, so the average british taxpayer is now, essentially, being asked to prop up foreign car makers. How can this be at all reasonable, when we already have a phenomonal level of public debt to pay off? Also, the average age of car on the uk is about 6-7 years old. Realistically, if you are running a car over ten years old you are probably fairly skint. In which case how could you possibly afford a new Jag / Land Rover / Morgan / Lotus; even with a £2000 grant? In addition, the comments about CO2 levels are absolutely correct. It takes a heck of a lot of energy (hence CO2) to build a new car from basic, raw materials: likwise to scrap an old one!

  95. DTM said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 12:41 am Link to comment Report comment

    It`s all BullS**t, Don`t people see that it is just the tax payer paying for what the government think is “right”;AGAIN,

    This government don`t know their arse from their elbows, it`s about time they had to pay for something and not just freeload off the reat of us and put what they think is “right” on our shoulders AGAIN!!

  96. Hudd said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 7:50 am Link to comment Report comment

    It’s worked well in Germany and france so why shouldn’t it here :D Fantastic idea i say!

  97. Confused said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 10:36 am Link to comment Report comment

    How about if I’ve ALREADY ordered a new car and paid a deposit? Still awaiting delivery, probably soon after the scheme starts. Can I still take advantage of this scheme?

  98. Clueless Colonial said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 12:20 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Fist time el-cheapo buyers will probably suffer with a future shortage of bangers.

    Stig’s Irish Cousin needs to know that if you are broke it shouldn’t matter how much any car is you cannot afford one, “YOU ARE BROKE” use public transport. The recession was partly caused by the greedy giving credit to people who thought they had the “right” to have stuff they could not afford.

  99. stmichael said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 12:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    There is a reason people are driving around in 10 year old plus cars. Lets face it. If people had the money to buy a new car instead of driving around in an old rot box they would. £2000 is not going to make these people go out and buy a new car and get up to the eyes in debt!

  100. sportwagon said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 1:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The scheme does make sense if you are buying a new city car when £2,000 is a substantial chunk off a £6,000 to £7,000 car. Most dearer cars will lose more than £2,000 the minute you drive them off the forecourt.
    As for the lack of affordable older cars, about 2 million of them are being scrapped every year in any case, another potential 150,000 won’t make a great difference.
    My real objection is that the scheme will do very little to help the British motor industry as 85% of cars sold are imported. Why should we subsidise Korean and East European manufacturers when our own economy is in such trouble?

  101. annie said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 2:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So i get 2k off the price of a new car, do i need to find a deposit on top of this or will the 2k count towards it? will i be better off selling my old clio and using the money as a deposit? not been very well thought out has it?

  102. rip off said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 7:20 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If any one has been looking for a new car over the lats few weeks will know what discounts there was out there, Ges what they have all been reduced by £1000 so the car makes dont lose out if you use the scraping scheme or not, so every one pays more. Is this what was intended?

  103. meow said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 9:58 pm Link to comment Report comment

    this is silly. other than ascari,noble and areil, there arnt any british car manufactures left. all the money will go into the pockets of other countrys.

    and ten year old cars are fine anyway. i have a 95 ford fiesta that hasnt failed any mot’s or had any problems at all. it was cheap and is much more reliable than any crappy french car (new or not) it might not have cost much but i can see it running well into the future.

  104. rip off said...
    Saturday April 25, 2009 at 10:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Audi moved there price three weeks ago VW moved last Thursday, Think this scraping scheme is ill thought out and tipical of this goverment,its only a small percentage of cars sold in the uk that are made here so most of the £3,000,000 being put in the scheme will go abroad. Well done Mr Daring, why not put the money down the drain, you are any way

  105. Mr H B said...
    Sunday April 26, 2009 at 7:58 am Link to comment Report comment

    Surely it’s not £2000 but just £1000, the dealers won’t give ANY discount (I’ve checked local BMW, VW and Hyundai) and I would expect a large discount in these times. A big con really!!

  106. Amazonian said...
    Sunday April 26, 2009 at 9:37 am Link to comment Report comment

    How can this allowance help the dealer network as half the £1000 allowance comes from them. Margins on new cars are already very tight so discounting a further £1000 off the price won’t help boost their economy.
    If you go online for a new car you can normally find a better deal than £2000 off anyway.

  107. KarMa said...
    Sunday April 26, 2009 at 12:15 pm Link to comment Report comment

    anybody knows how much is 0.7-0.9 tons of steel worth in the UK?

    Just curious about that piece of information… it might be relevant to consider the sheer price of metal in these calculations you’re making.

    This said ’cause -if you bother- in my country (Italy) you can actually make more money by dismantling a scrap car yourself and sell the parts that work to 2nd hand spares shops and the rest as “steel with a shape” than the amount than by just getting rid of it and get the money from the Country.

    Of course usually mechanics only do it, ’cause if you earn your money elsewhere, the time it takes to an average person to separate a car into components without breaking anything valuable in the process is better spent doing something else.

  108. KarMa said...
    Sunday April 26, 2009 at 12:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    “…than the amount (of cash) you can get by…”
    Typo, sorry :)

  109. freddy said...
    Sunday April 26, 2009 at 4:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    £2k hardly buys a new car. Surely if you have a ten year old car, its ‘cos you don’t have the sort of £12k plus to buy a new one. Unless you’re buying a tiny car, £2k won’t make much difference. And all the money just goes to other countries….who in Britain actually makes the kind of (small) car which the scheme will boost sales of?!!

  110. KarMa said...
    Sunday April 26, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    True, Freddy, although I think that continental european cars for Britain can be assembled in the uk for right-hand drive.
    Exactly like left-hand drive minis were assembled by Autobianchi in Italy, and we bought quite many of them.
    I suppose that now the opposite could happen (which is already happening… still with the bmw-mini, for instance). That could be a nice scheme to save british Vauxhall, for instance. Since the pound-euro change was fixed way too high, I doubt that cheap english cars can sell elsewhere in Europe, so it’s up to your internal market only to save what’s left of the affordable part of British car industry.
    New alfa will be partially built in Australia (Aluminium engine blocks), which can mean something, even if I’m no expert about Commonwealth import-export

  111. my little pony said...
    Sunday April 26, 2009 at 5:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    whatever…

  112. Jake.H said...
    Monday April 27, 2009 at 2:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I think Some Porchez are more of a girls car. Because of the shape of it.

  113. topchoice said...
    Monday April 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It’s a good idea as it remove polluting cars from the roads.

    The accident rate from new cars is much less than that of old cars therefore accidents are likely to decrease.

    Safer for passengers in a collision therefore saves more lives plus the people saying it will cost more to produce new cars……. maybe true but theres no point letting the ones on air fields just rust away, that’s even more wasteful !

  114. Mr Sensible said...
    Monday April 27, 2009 at 8:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I have a 13 year BMW 528, which I have owned for 8 years and runs like a dream, why would I trade it in for even a Fiat 500 costing mega bucks and depreciates more than £2 K / year.
    Gordon Brown’s £2 K incentive is a load of crap and only encourages people with no money to borrow more, bad move in these economic times.

  115. Malaysian Gear-Head said...
    Tuesday April 28, 2009 at 5:56 am Link to comment Report comment

    I think to make any sense out of this 2K incentive, it has to be targeted at non-road worthy cars that are 10 years or older. MOT has to inspect the cars that are 10+ years old that are running, then give 2 options to scrap or to make them road worthy.

    To say all cars above 10 years old when scraped gets the 2K incentive is not smart! It never worked in any country well enough without MOT intervention. Look at Singapore their scrapping system is pretty effective.

  116. F.F. driver said...
    Tuesday April 28, 2009 at 3:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i drive a ’96 frontera sport diesel, took a bit of finding four years ago, but it is perfect for me, I can service it myself and maintain it, all these poxy new cars have computers in them that go wrong and cost a fortune to repair, inspite of my mechanics advice to part with my car (which had some fairly majr work done recently) i won’t part with it until it dies as i can tow with it legally (i’m on a 3.5 tonne weight limit thanks to the new towing laws that came in after i passed my test) and it is in a reasonably cheap tax bracket due to its age, unlike my dads newer car, so i cant see the point of this 2k incentive and as previously mentioned car prices will just go up, no point scrapping a car that is road legal and fully functioning!! where is that eco friendly?

  117. PaddleShiftDrift said...
    Tuesday April 28, 2009 at 5:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The fellah with the Alfa 156…

    …i drive an alfa 155 V6 , 13 years old and i wouldnt scrap it for a piece of modern junk…

    if I were you I would scrap it for a 13 year old Audi like mine…congrats for keeping it alive so long..you must have it vacuum packed!!

    PS…Any news if Bristol are planning to subscribe to the scheme…!!!!!

  118. JIMBOBASTRAMAN said...
    Tuesday April 28, 2009 at 10:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Green policies……how much CO2 to make a new car, how much to crush one, how much depreciation off the new car, where do you put all the scrapped cars (minus the metal, I imagine). Bugger it. Buy an old car now, and keep it running – been doing it for years.
    The guy who made the point about maintenance – head gasket repair on a new eurobox – any idea of cost? ’94 Astra (I know I know), £2.80 for the head gasket fitted it myself. Service it myself, change the oil etc. myself – doesn’t need a FSH ‘cos it’s not worth anything.
    Certainly cannot afford a car above £500 (so sorry Ford, no new Fiesta etc. for me) – Why not give you something for your old car, against a new one, then auction off the scrap ones or send them to places that have been hit by hurricanes (remember the American challenge TG???). Somebody would surely love a little ’99 Fiesta or whatever.

    Stop taxing us to death, Darling, keep up the good work TG, and hange on to your v6 155 Person with Alfa (if not sense…)

  119. onebigal said...
    Wednesday April 29, 2009 at 4:34 am Link to comment Report comment

    Mixed views really. On the +ve it helps shore the industry by creating debate and general new vehicle marketing.

    -ve is that is it incremental ie. how can you measure whether a buyer would have gone and purchased the vehicle anyway without the subsidy? Also is there a danger that the overall discount will reamin the same so for example a dealer may reduce their discount and utilise the manufacturer/government aid?

  120. nashon said...
    Wednesday April 29, 2009 at 4:41 am Link to comment Report comment

    We need 12k. Then we can all buy Fords in all sorts of colours and brighten the country up and save the yanks while at it too! (Repaying the WWII favour)

  121. Anonymous said...
    Wednesday April 29, 2009 at 11:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    stop taking the mick out of the ford sierra man they are actually quite reliable and they are my fav cars man.

  122. Rich T said...
    Thursday April 30, 2009 at 7:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    What a load of old b!”£$%^s this scrappage scheme is –

    Point one The “green” debate: a cars greatest environmental impact is at production not during its lifespan

    Point two -most people with a 10 year old pus car either don’t want a new to waste money on a new car (i.e me) or they can’t afford a new car. Hang on – hasn’t the current global financial mess been caused by easy credit…..

    Point three – Older cars have so much more character than computers on wheels which is what most modern cars have been reduced too.

  123. Digga said...
    Saturday May 2, 2009 at 1:43 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Crap idea crap MP.

  124. Al said...
    Sunday May 3, 2009 at 5:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Am I being cynical or what, but what a considence that the major car makers are putting their prices up so soon after the £2000 scrappage anoucement.

  125. The Stig said...
    Monday May 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Check this out!

  126. Dan Lodge said...
    Monday May 4, 2009 at 4:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The idea:

    Get rid of your old rust ridden heap for a shiny new car.

    The reality: The only reason why I have a 1993 vauxhall corsa 1.2 is because it doesnt owe me anything, im not worried about parking in shop car parks next to people carriers, and it does 35+ mpg which seems green enough for now.

    Why would I want to put myself on a 5 year finance?

    Surely if I could afford up to £200 a month to spend on a car I would have done it already.

    Also, Surely its more cost effective I buy a 2 year old car off the forecourt nearer the £2000 allowance figure…?

    Get your ideas right Darling.

  127. AccordGuy said...
    Tuesday May 5, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to comment Report comment

    I’ll be using the £2k to buy a new car. I’ve got a 13 yr old Honda Accord. Nothing particularly wrong with it… Apart from a little bit of rust, £550 bill for the last MOT, another £300 bill looming for new front discs, another £500 for 4 new tyres in a few months, £185 a year in tax, £700 a year in insurance (coz I used to be much more of a petrol head so it’s got 17″ wheels and engine mods). Plus it’s a 2.2 so it’s a bit heavy on the gas. It was ok when I bought it coz petrol was only 75p then. Having worked it out, if I buy a new Insight, it will cost me an additional £162 per month to run than my old Accord (including finance).

    I don’t count depreciation because I keep my cars for a very long time (I bought the Accord when it was 3 years old and I’ve had it for 10 years).

    The scheme isn’t great but it helps me unload a modified car that nobody will buy – not even 17 year old boy-racers or students because the insurance and fuel costs are so high on it.

  128. DriftKing18594 said...
    Wednesday May 6, 2009 at 6:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    £2,000? What if you drive a classic, e.g. a Nissan Skyline GT-R? I’m pretty sure even the R32 is worth 5 times as much as what your government is offering.

  129. RonnyZenn said...
    Thursday May 7, 2009 at 3:39 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Simillar thing in Germany. Give your 10+ years car, buy a brand new or may 1 year old car..receive 2500 euros. There is also massive discount on the market for any brand new car. But(!) there is a little trick here. In Germany, people are in love with their local brands, so i guess Germany as a country benefits from that a lot as most will buy local production. Would it be same in UK?Hmm…don’t really think so

  130. AccordGuy said...
    Tuesday May 12, 2009 at 3:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    DriftKing… Nobody’s saying you should trade in a classic E-Type for a nice new Kia Picanto, unless your particular old Jag is a money-pit and you desperately want shot of it…

    But there’s plenty of old non-classic Ford Festers, Vauxawfuls and Nissin Soupbowls knocking around that would benefit from a trip to the trash compactor.

    We’d all be buying British if we hadn’t dropped the ball and built all that trash in the 70’s, thereby handing our car industry on a plate to those pesky Germans, French, Swedes and Japanese who could all somehow design a decent affordable car and screw it together properly.

    The last “proper” British car (before Rover became German) I had was a Rover Metro that after its ruining-in period of 500 miles had managed to shake loose several of its head bolts. The Rover dealer asked me “What did you do to this car?”. To which I replied “Sorry, I drove it.”

    Now we don’t even have the option to buy British.

    Land Rover – Indian
    Jaguar – Indian
    Lotus – Malaysian
    Rover – German
    LDV – ex-Leyland sold to French now going bust
    Rolls Royce – German
    Bentley – German

  131. Allegerita said...
    Wednesday May 13, 2009 at 5:50 am Link to comment Report comment

    Why is it that these British marques are being snatched up?

  132. Moretti124guy said...
    Wednesday May 13, 2009 at 10:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    People driving old beater cars can afford and qualify for new cars with high monthly payments, and no lenders supporting “special finance” any more. They are trying the same thing here, but with the new sales tax and vehicle registration tax fees going up the rebate from the government does not cover taxes on most cars.

  133. Fat Tony said...
    Monday May 18, 2009 at 9:15 am Link to comment Report comment

    I cant see it working at the moment due to fact that the gov are spending all our money on thier 2nd and 3rd homes so there wont be any money left for the payouts.

  134. A. Fan said...
    Wednesday May 20, 2009 at 12:40 am Link to comment Report comment

    Well all i can say is dealers best save all this money they get up. As once this schemes over everyone who wants a new car is gonna have one, so next year sales will probably be zero and manufacturers are going to start shutting down in this country rather quickly. Think about all the hype of MG/Rover but times that by about ten thats a lot of unemployed! Also no ones going to want old parts so they’ve just lost lots of jobs in salvage yards once this is all over. – All in all a short term solution which will lead to ten times the problems in the long run.

  135. Peter Oliceman said...
    Tuesday May 26, 2009 at 2:56 am Link to comment Report comment

    Yes i quite agree

  136. M Paul Lloyd said...
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    I have a fourteen year old Mercedes and it is a million billion times better than a new car of the same value…. actually you can’t buy a new car for the same value. I don’t understand why anyone in their right mind would want to pay more for less car?? ;)

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