Hi Jason, this is true and even fairly recent cars like the Rover Metro/100 are becoming a rarity these days as they were just so badly built or just awful to own (or both)
The original Mini however will remain a sight on our roads for a lot longer as it has classic status but if a new car dealer offered you 2K for a really rotten one……

Renault 17s were a childhood favourite of mine – can’t remember the last time I saw one of them.

I agree this could have an adverse affect on classic cars however there is another side to this that people should be aware of.

People who are utilizing this scheme should be aware it is on a first come first served basis and if you sign up and it will be 12-16 weeks before a car can be delivered you may not qualify for the scrapage! I basically have been told that I will have to take the car that is available on the forecourt to be guaranteed this discount……if this is genuine and not just a sales ploy then people may find themselves up the creek without a paddle so to speak because the car has to be registered before the scrapage payment is effective so if the money in the pot runs out before your car is delieverd to the showroom and registered to you then you may find that you will not qualify for the £1000 discount the Government is offering, so if you have signed a order form who is liable?

Hi, we have that silly thing going on in Germany for some time. Really good cars are put down. What a shame. I have an 1990 300SE (among others) and I cannot understand those people destroying their cars.

well, my 1955 austin a30 is certainly not going to be scrapped, even though it’s worth significantly less than 2k…

I’m going to do my bit to help, i’m currently looking at buying a late 80′s or early 90′s Range Rover. Should go nicely with my brothers ’95 P38 Rangie, which he has no intention of changing.
Jaffa (Post 1) mentions the decline of the Metro, i can’t remember the last time i saw a Montego either. Haven’t seen a Peugeot 205 for a while, a favourite of mine growing up.

I don’t really agree with Mr.Darling’s scrappage scheme as I like old cars very much. I mean some cars over ten years are obviously worth more than £2,000.

What about the Opel kadett, which is probably called vauxhall something on the island. I remember my brother had one about 9 years ago and his mates had on as well. How rare have those become? Try to remember when you have seen one.

What about the classic Original Audi Quattro they are a true classic car that changed the history of rallying and the changed cars forever

that would be a shame to lose just one of the greatest cars ever.

I know that they cost more than the scrappage scheme offers but I am sure some people would scrap them without doing there research

If anyone decides to scrap any mustangs (bar the 80′s models because they were trash) Then i will have no option but to hire out mercenaries to kill them. And then ill have the car

You have such a good point!

The same as with the mustang applies to any of these other great cars

Ford Escort mk1+2
Golf GTI 1+2
Fiesta 1
Cosworth RS500 or sapphire sierras
Anything before 1973
Lotus Carlton – and lotus cortina
RS200
Any lancia
Subaru SVR and any other subaru for that matter – and evos (i dont care how many there are they are still needed )
nissan skyline series
The 1980s Porsches (bar the 924…YUCK)

You have been warned……and the mercs are hungry

OOO! and lets not forget, basically any car involved in group B/rallying/touring cars or was fundamental to motorsport. that means quattros, cortinas, delta integrales….

You have been warned again…….

I think that this scrappage scheme is rubbish, it might be 2K in your pocket, and possibly a good discount off a new fiat panda, but that’s it! Has nobody looked into brewing you own fuel? If it comes down to it I will. Even if it means paying some tax on it- better than scrapping my car. I am just about to turn 17 and have a 1971 orange VW Beetle in the drive. Push comes to shove, I’m never scrapping my beauty

not a chance of scrappin my 1983 VW Polo Coupe s !!!

some day, the new alfa romeo MiTo or the mini will become scrap if its more than 10 years old. If you scrap your old car, then your just wasting space and the scrap cars are still usable. Its not like your scrap car is broken after ten years. If cars are usable then use it, if its broken and you cant afford to fix it then scrap it.

h/o scrapping your old cars isnt usable i mean that your scrap car still work

renault 4 with silly gear stick?

I’m definetly not scrapping my ’88 Jag in the next 40 years or so

My dad wants a cortina or a taurnus as they call it in europe

Hang on a minute… Is this Top Gear – a show that regularly features ‘Buy a classic and rag the arse off it’ challenges, in which the motors mostly end up being wrecks – telling us mere mortals to LOOK AFTER said heaps?

Make your chuffing minds up!

I love old cars (and new, and any…).

But Rusty here has a point.
Top Gear is notorious for killing old cars, even near-classic Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche.

Make up your mind…
(Decide to love oldies, that is)

im 21 and i dont want a new car. i love my nakerd old 95 civic. it broke down on saturday night and left me and my mate stranded.it was cold and dark and wet and i needed a piss, we had a right good laugh trying to get home, reliability is boring and i dont like the smell of new cars.i wana keep my honda!

I hate the disposable attitude people seem to have towards cars, the government included.

Make your mind up on a car, buy it and keep it until it no longer works, then get it fixed and keep going!

That way we can see something nice on the roads, instead of all these plastic new cars that get replaced every few years.

*Also, I’d like to point out an old Jag I saw Gordon Brown getting into on the telly, it looked almost ‘old’ enough to qualify for the scrapping sceme. If they are running around in older motors, why can’t everyone else?*

I’ve been saying this whenever word comes out about a ‘scrapping scheme’, be it in Germany, Great Britain, or in Holland.
And even though I’m 23, so my talking about ‘the past’ is a bit pretentious, car wise, I reckon cars in the past were better looking, more fun and better value than most of the stuff we can buy these days.
I mean, what’s ten years in a car’s time? For example, I would like to own a Ford Escort or Peugeot 306 as a first car. It’s getting harder and harder to get by one! Heck, even most of the Mark Ia and Ib Mondeo’s are out…

Well, this is sure going to turn the next cheap car challenge into a real challenge.
“Go out and find a car for less than 3000…if you can.”
Oh well, a well kept 70′s/80′s car might even fetch more than that on the used market. Don’t know if the rusty brake-downers are truly worth saving….

If you willingly went on this site – and thus care at least a bit for cars – you are, IMHO, simply not allowed to scrap:

-ANY Mini
-ANY Ford “___” RS or early Escort, Grananda, Cortina or Capri
-ANY Japanese coupe of any kind or any age (I still go wow at RX-7s, Supras and Skylines etc. when I see them, and haven’t seen an NSX o.t.r for years! I did see a Nissan Stagea recently and wowed.)
-ANY European attempt at a Jap coupe – e.g. Corrado, Scirocco, etc.
-ANY fast Vauxhall
-ANY hot hatch, particularly old Pugs like the 306 GTI-6 & 205 GTI or Golf GTi’s. Truely classic cars, despite seeming normal.

basically anything remotely trendy or sporty from the past. Just because it’s old, doesn’t mean it’s bad!

Why should I keep my 15 y/o Audi A6, with a nearly dead fuel pump, exhausted suspensions, fryed clutch and thirsty engine when I can get a new Ford Focus at an extremely competitive price? I got the deal, here in Italy we have a scheme similar to Mr. Darling’s one. 1500€ offered by the government plus another 1000€ if you get a LPG fueled car. that’s 2500€ before the dealer’s discount. Even if I loved my old Audi very much, getting it fixed would have costed me too much.
I’m sorry, but most of the time replacing old cars with new ones is a good thing, they are safer, more economical to run and more practical. I’m sure there will always be fans of a particular model that will preserve their memory. Living in Modena I get to see many old cars shows. in the last 2 monts I’ve seen more Lancia Fulvias or Alfa Romeo Giuliettas (not to talk about Astons DB MkIII or old Porsches) than I thought were still existing, so I’m not at all worried about the old metal.

I want my two Alfa Suds back, how the hell I let my dad persuade me to trade the last one in for a ‘mint’ allegro, I will never forgive myself. This is all in hindsight of course….

Rusty, I see what you mean, but the point of cheap sports/supercar challenges are to prove that just because it’s a supercar with a realistic price tag on it, doesn’t mean you should buy it.

Besides, they never have much money to work with on their Cheap Car Challenges (obviously), due to the unique way the BBC is funded, so they always end up with very poor examples of whatever they fancied. Plus the challenges are never “look after it and love it”.

Besides, we’re much more sensible than those three (when they’re in front of a camera, anyway), and aren’t paid £A-crap-load, so we arguably have more of a responsibility to look after our old crocks than them with their huge garages full of new (and occasionally old) stuff.

Erm, not sure how well I made my point there, but I basically mean that those challenges are in quite a different context/scenario to normal folk everyday with our old Minis and Skylines ‘n’ stuff.

It is happening here in the USA as well, the people in the Government want us all to drive little Hybrids.

I was in car sales and a few years back I got a call from a California state assemblywoman’s chief of staff. They needed a new car for her to be shuttled around Sacramento, and had decided that she needed a Lincoln Town Car Signature L, a big impressive car for a small time political hack, who for some reason cannot driver herself to work.
I, being up on politics, pointed out that this assemblywoman had been pushing for laws to require us to all drive funny little bubble cars that ran on water, when I asked why she could not get by with a Hybrid Escape the staff member or a Ford Focus PZEV the staffer replied that it was not a proper car for an important member of the public service. I pointed out that we could get a hybrid with leather, heated seats, and a navigation. He would have none of it, it must be a Black on Black Lincoln Town Car. Just another case of the “Do as I say, not as I Do” attitude that has been running wild across global politics.

and old Citroen BXs, CXs and XMs! These are way to rare to all be ending up on the heap!

This scrapping scheme does have a positive side though. Ok there’s going to be thousands of people dumping their cars without needing too. But, As much as I don’t want to see a few dozen E36 BMW’s turning up at scrap yards, it will free up a lot of spares for my car. and it’s the same with anyone who owns a slightly older car that they care about. There will now be a mass of spare parts which before might have been either very expensive or hard to source.

And let’s face it, there are just some cars out there that need to be scrapped. Simply for being dreadful excuses of transport.

I will never give up my 92 Mercedes 300 CE or my 98 Jaguar XJ8. I even regret selling my 74 Opel Manta 1900 Rallye – now that was a good looking car

A paper published in 2000 by the journal Transportation Research comes to some grim conclusions about this all: Replacing old cars with new ones increases carbon pollution because between 15 and 20% of a car’s emissions are produced during its manufacture, the optimal age for a car, the paper says, is 19 years. (The average age of the UK’s fleet is 4.9 years(13)). If the paper’s assumptions hold (they may be out of date now), it would make more sense for the government to pay us to keep our old bangers on the road.

Low-carbon transport? Pull the other one. Scrappage schemes are nothing but hand-outs for the car firms, resprayed green to fool the incautious buyer.
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I suspect what will happen is that the scrapyard will become over laden, and that lots of cars will simply be scrapped entirely – and that means lots of spare parts that could have come onto the market will simply be wasted.

There are less than 1000 Cortina Mk.3′s left on the roads. Shame if the number dwindles any further.

I Have Had My Nissan Micra 1.2 Super S (1992) For Just Under Over A Year And Wouldn’t Trade It In For Nothing Not Even Those Ugly New Micras What Happened To Retro!

Does that include my Calibra thathammond was slagging off in his future classics video? Is it now worth keeping?

Seriously, a lot of those cars, especially the ugly boxy late 70′s/80′s varieties, I am glad to see the back of.
There are, however, many cars with character that you just don’t see enough of: Audi Quattro, Lancia Delta Integrale, Merc 190e; Original BMW 3 series.
Aside from the novelty value of seeing a Cortina or Metro on the road, I can only say: “Good riddance to bad rubbish”.

To be fair I don’t think people will scrap the “classics” out there. If it’s loved, it’ll stay on the road, if it’s a 15 year old p.o.s. then good ridance. (Astras, Micras, Corrollas I’m looking at you!)

My car is a 15 year old (this year!) Rover Mini soft top, and no it’s not going anywhere………

We had the same government backed scrappage scheme in Ireland a number of years back and it included scrapping your car to get a second hand one so it was a bit more accessible. So we decided to scrap the old 1983 Toyota Starlet my sister and I learned to drive (and crash) in and got £500 off a second hand Golf (which my sister took ownership of). A good deal you might think at the time but because it was a rear wheel drive Starlet it is much coveted now by drifters and I see the same model unmodified advertised for €5000!! If only we had kept it…
I do agree with you Jason that a lot of classics will get scrapped and this would be a real shame. Do the dealers have to actually scrap them or can they re-sell them do you know?

I got given a P’Reg Skoda Felicia about 2 years when my Grandad decided to get a new car so it cost me nothing….well other than an insurance price of around £1,750 and £120 for 12 months tax. It’s done its job and got me 1NCB and its just passed its MOT but with a few problems.

Nearside CV joint gaiter deteriorated
Offside CV Joint gaiter deteriorated
Nearside rear arch body has slight corrosion
Offside rear arch body has slight corrosion
Exhaust has part of the system slightly deteriorated

I agree that classic cars shouldn’t be scrapped but I don’t think anyone is going to miss my skoda do you…. I can now get a 3door Fiat Punto 09 Plate for about £6.395!

There’s few good points up there to be posted.

Firstly those three guys don’t look up after their reasonably priced cars. If we have something broken – we’ll try to fix it. they don’t care so that’s completely different point.

As to talk about the old cars – I don’t mind some crap to be destroyed but there’s also classics that will dissapear in this manear. At one point am happy we don’t got this gouvernment politics but also we don’t have and ouer own classic cars. But in many countries oldies will be distroyed and placed with some new crap.

Old cars are amazing in it’s own way. They will broke up but if you’re a car lover – will spent hours in the garage. It’s passion for the cars, not the money.

Even am 21 but already now regret few cars that my dad traded for nothing good. And now part of the history is gone. I hope I won’t have to trade my oldy.

Lancia Delta Integrale!!!

I so want a Ford Crown Victoria now, even though I know I wouldn’t have a chance in hell quenching the thirst of that five-litre V8.

Does my “R” reg Pug 306 1.9 TD count as a shitter? I still think it looks good.

My friend who works down the local harbour scrap yard tells me that the pile of ‘old crap’ as he calls it, is getting bigger on the dock side, the importers of this material IE China, Korea etc don’t want it now. If by a miracle this Scrap car scheme takes off, where will they all gather?….

i would never scrap my car, for one thing I cant afford a new car, be it 3995 or 10995 and plus i got myself a 96 Renault Megane 2.0 16v not so long ago for £600! its totally origernal and well looked after and it is in mint condition, its got everything I need, leccy windows, air con, leather seats etc and its got 150bhp which buy modern standards isnt that amazing but its a little light car thats so much fun to throw around bends and its faster than a lot of modern machines, to get a car as good as mine new i would have to spend well over 10k and whats the point? my little reno prob cost me the sames as 3 montly payments for a crappy little 1.2 punto!

I think classics and cult cars will be fine as all the crap ones are long gone and all the decent ones are probably already in the hands of people who look after them, but what is a shame is all the normal bread and butter cars which are currently owned by people who have little or no interest in cars, things like golf mk4′s, audi a3′s and a4′s, focus mk1′s, 206′s, e39 5 series bm’s to name but a few and all of these are still good cars with plenty of life left in them which is a real shame!

do a search on u tube about cars which have been scrapped in germany as they have been running for a while and u will be amazed

it is such a shame to see many good cars going to the scrappy, i think stuff like classics and cult cars like 205 gti’s & reno 5 gt turbo’s etc will all be safe as all the rubbish ones have already visited the scrappy a long time ago and all the remaining ones will already be in the hands of people who wanted that specific rather than somthing that was cheap or easy to finance or whatever. Its all the late ninties cars which are in danger, all the mk4 golfs, mk1 focus, audi a4′s, bmw 3 & 5 series to name but a few. A lot of these cars are probably owned buy people who have little or no interest in cars and prob quite fancy a new one anyway and now the ‘carrot’ has been dangled in front of up there gonna take this oppertuantly

but on the upside parts for my 1996 megane 2.0 16v couple may get a bit easyer to find!

sorry posted practically the same thing twice, stupid computer lol

I agree, save the old beauties.
I for one would never give up my two merc 190, even if one is “just” a old 2,0 diesel from 1984 still runs like a dream if it is in a bit of a sorry state, but now that I have my “new” as in from 87, 2,6 automatic (man, thats a nice engine sounds, strait 6 engine, mmmm) merc I can get down to fixing the old diesel one a bit.
one thing is for sure, I prefer my old cars over any new one…

looks like we would have been better off had this been a 70′s-80′s name the scrap of your heart chain… an idea for J. perhaps ? Anyway it’s unbelievable how difficult it is to try and buy one of these things as they’re not even listed on most main stream car’s sites. I’ve been desperatley trying to get my hands on an e21 bimmer in running condition to restore and play with on weekends and bank holidays and after 3 months of quite intensive surfing I found 3 !!!!!!! two of these were on classic cars classifieds sites and the asking prices were hilariously high .. I would’ve thought that 5oo-1500 quid would have been more than sufficient but man was I wrong ! So as much as I’d love to save one… a below avreage mk2 capri will set you back 4K !!! 4k!!!! puhlease !!!

i think the best idea to help save these neo-classic desireables would be to create a site dealing specifically with 70′s, 80′s and 90′s models a la autotrader..perhaps on TG.. would def. save the trouble of having to consider traveling to get a better look than is available from the dodgy pics posted by Hans in germany… just an idea…

Look at it this way, the more 10 year old cars that go the more the 1s that are left are worth.

It is a shame we may see a further decline in retro ‘shitters’ we all love. However, the good side of this is we’ll get rid of all the rest of the shitters we don’t all love, e.g. oldish rovers.

I have a 77 triumph 2500s [weekender car ] which i absolutely love and there are not too many in Australia in such good condition , i have two other day to day cars too but i would sooner scrap the newer cars than part with my trumpy

The T/V reg Granada Ghia 2.8 ; the one with the blue & silver paint job!

Wouldn’t mind reclaiming my old Peugeot 504ti and Fiat Mirafiori either……though I guess they’ve both rusted away by now.

Ahh Renault Fuego’s I so wanted to own one of those!

I really can’t see how this government can be so stupid. Our economy is not doing too well at the moment and by bringing in this scheme there are going to be thousands and thousands of garages who depends on fixing up old cars going out of business. Not only that but 80% of our cars are imported from other countries, so in other words we are just throwing even more money out of our own economy. I have a 1957 Moggy Minor and I would hate to see it on some scrap heap.

The srapage premium is a silly idea in the first place.
How many people have enough cash to buy a car outright, hardly any.
so after subprime mortgages you will have sub-prime car loans, becasue all the people who cant afford a new car will buy one and get even further into debt.

Dont worry about classic 60-early 80s cars, being a nation of petrol heads nobody in their right mind would scrap, for example a mint 70′s cortina.

I think I smell a top gear challenge coming on. Think about it, james, jeremy and richard buy the best possible cars they can find for £2k and prove that it is worth keeping these older cars rather than scrapping them.

For me old cars just bring back the style of the previous decades,and even if they are old rust buckets that break donw every mile you cant help it but love them…..even a bit

I agree with Mini1.

You never see CXs and BXs anymore, and XMs are rare as hen’s teeth.

Even the Xantia is getting thin on the ground.

Golden Brown’s scrapyard aren’t getting their mitts on my 97 Alfa GTV.

There aren’t a lot of interesting cars on the road anymore, just a lot of boxes. German exec-boxes, egg shaped MPV boxes and urban assault SUV boxes.

i prefer old cars to new any day of the week. the smell. the drive and the smile you get on your face. The scrappage scheme might seem like a good idea initialy but if you look at the bulk of the messages most people regret selling their old cars. I would say that if you have an old car they should be kept and maintained. I have two classic cars (an e38 bmw and a lancia beta spyder_ and they are more fun to drive then my newer car. They are not all that expensive as you can normally save a lot of money in repairs which can be cariied out yourself.
The question is really is it worth scrapping a perfectly good car for the sake of a few pounds at the cost of losing something that will give you more adventure (joy and pain when it breaksdown) than any new car.

i do not think so.

Fire up the quattro !

Old cars are still cool like the old ford escorts and rs2000s, even some of the british leyland cars must be saved, even if they were rubbish *cough* austin princess *cough*

ive just done my bit, im restoring a ‘t’ reg rs2000 mk2 escort as its the coolest car and should be preserved forever

well ive got a fiat multipla (yes they r ugly) and y the heck would the government try to scrap any car thats 10 years old? so in 10, 20 years or so, all of our cars now will just be in a heap o’junk. even not so exiting cars like my multipla, or a ford focus, or even a vauxhall corsa, in 40 years those cars will be worth a fortune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here in Italy what they are doing is even more devious: they give you money for scrapping old cars (and I actually think that is not such a bad idea), but on top – and this is much worse – they make owning an old car extremely expensive by punishingly high rates on road tax, sales and more or less every other thing they can hit you with… I have a perfectly fine Mondeo 1997 2.5 V6, but I’ll be forced to scrap it as it’s just too big an expense…

I really like #25′s sense of humor… This could be the end of TG’s challenges! Amazing how good that Cortina looks nowadays. I thought it was butt ugly back then. I also remember that it wasn’t exactly what you’d call a good car. I’d be interested in a Mk1 Capri though. 1 year to go, then it’s my time to contribute to this scheme: I got a 9yr old Merc that’s running nicely, thank you very much. Low mileage too.

Or an Escort MkII, preferably with the 2.0litre engine. And a rollcage, while we’re at it.

I really really want an original, as in 1980s, Fiat Croma. My Grandad had one when I was a wee one and it was his favourite car – just a big barge. If I find one, I shall save it from scrappage myself.

Didn’t that Princess look good though? I always thought of it as the British answer to Lancia.

I’ve read ‘Renault Fuego’ too many times now not to look it up. Interesting car, that.

I also found a photoshop job where someone turned the 4-Door Megane into a 2000′s Fuego http://hvtm.hu/index.php3  ?ID=9000&carID=620

Fiat 126 (595 and 650cc)

I owned three of these… You don’t see any now, mostly because they would spontaneously rust overnight and you’d just come out of your house and find a small pile of brown dust where your car was the night before.

But, I loved them.

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Well, I have a raft of potential ‘scrappers’ all eminently driveable, to whit…a 1981 TVR Tasmin 280i (useless in todays terms but lantern jawed ’80s fun in mine) A 1981 ex military Landrover 109 in ‘Desert Sand’ Camouflage, a 1963 Ford Zephyr 6 MKIII and a 1999 Jag XJR (a Jeremy C Fave car of yesteryear) all of which can be classified as awful polluters and eminent scrap motors, however my combine mileage in all of them is about 5K so sod off HMG, I am keeing these for myself.

their is a boy called james whos family has 5 old and crappy citroens he is so gay , one of the cars are a citroen ax his dad just bought it is soooooooooooooooo shit. another one is a old rusty 2cv which his dad bought fo £2000 off his mate it is an absolute banger and he says it is lovly it is a piece of shit shit

it should happen old cars r rubbish

citroens are aful and french SO DIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!EuropeanCarFan

I like the cars

My 16 year old Audi 80 spends less time on the hard shoulder (never basically) than every silver 4 year old Astra, 2 year old Clio, 3 year old Mondeo etc etc. Why would I want to get a newer car with exoborant servicing fees, that breaks every 5 minutes and has to be plugged in to some sort of NASA powered computer to get going again?

Sure my car isn’t perfect, I just have to remember how much petrol is in it at any time to save myself all that hassle above. And it’s worth it.

I agree, scrappage is yet another of our wonderful governments initiatives that fail in the real world…

firstly, the scrappage scheme requires the car has a current MOT (so why would you scrap it?) and you have owned it for twelve months (so you aren’t fed up with it so it is still a runner)

secondly you can’t use any other deal apart from the scrappage deal, to do the deal. You might as well buy a dog from Ebay and get £500 off the price that way

thirdly, and this is the really crucial bit, if the car has both 12 months MOT and has been owned for at least 12 months, it is a valid vehicle on the road, so why throw it away? Cars don’t rust away any more, and an MOT will sort out dodgy brakes and tyres etc, so it’s basically safe. Keep running it!

All e30 3 series send to me please!

Hi i have always driven around in lumps of metal mr darling says is (s)crap but if im really honest im in two minds….. for 1, insurance is usally cheaper, 2 they are simpler to fix (i can do it myself), 3 they go on forever and 4 sometimes more fun to drive. But to get two grand for my car which is only worth £50 (vauxhall chevette 1.2)is very very tempting as now you can get a new car for under 10 grand. Ill miss my chevette dont get me wrong but maybe its time for a change…… or should i keep my car aswell? mmm

Yes Yes Yes!, This is surly the greatest campaign ever, for someone as young as me (17) cars from the 70′s and 80′s are fantastic to see on the road, unlike boy racer clio’s and 107 (they should be scrapped). Programs like Life On Mars and Ashes to Ashes make you realise that the cars your parents and grandparents had were really cool even if they were “commoners muck”. My dads XR2 Fiesta comes to mind.

Save the Shitters!!!

Yes, SAVE OUR SHITTERS!

They may think that they are no good for anything but those old cars rock, their flaws are what makes them fabulous.

We need to boycott this stupid scheme and stand up and defend all the poor cars who can’t defend themselves.

Makes me proud to drive an ’85 BMW 5 Series!

You have my full support!

I saw a Mark II Cortina the other day, and it made me smile because my dad had one of those. Mostly, though, I think I feel strongly about this stupid scheme because most of the cars I aspire to own (leaving aside the mad stuff like Lambos) are well over a decade old. Even some of the more recent stuff (I have a soft spot for the Alfa Romeo GTV and the Ford Puma)is eligible for scrappage and that’s just not right…

I agree totally with this, apart from one small thing – an S reg Cortina would have been a Mk IV, not a III *smiles*

Create a petition and we shall sign it.

I’m a 100 % with your campaign. I love my peugeot 205 GL of 1990 and i think that’s a lot of fun to drive compared to the new little sised cars … and it can do the 0-60 in just 10″ brilliantlly .peace.

I just think my Jag XJ40 suits me and am never going to scrap it even though I need to pay £300 for it to pass the M.O.T. the mechanic said it definetly is worth it.

I have a 1993 K reg Cavalier Saloon in metalic blue. 202000 miles and a bit of body decay. Only broken down once when the cam belt snapped, but only cost me the belt as it’s got a 1.8 8 valve engine. Cost £250 in 2005 and only costing about £300 per year tops to keep it maintained and MOT’d. Why would I want to spend thousands on a new car just to save £2000. It’s a fantastic car.

..it’s acheingly obvious this scheme isn’t aimed at ppl waxing their 205′s on weekends getting a shine pug couldn’t achieve themselves back in the day or cortina owners..or is it just me ??? Thge ppl who will be taking advantage of it though might just keep your local citroen dealer, who supplies the parts to your 205 and is probably a good guy, in business just long enough to last throught this recession thing.. and there is nothing in the world wrong with that, not even if you happen to prefer rustbuckets with an alfa or a ford badge, is there ????? Save you shitter if that’s your fancy but live and let live is more than just a petition…

and look on the bright side.. the prices and quality of parts you’ll be getting from your scrapyard hunts will def. change to your advantage giving you the option of keeping your benetton scheme bangers on the road for even longer for even less…

Yh Save Em!

I agree with mahmou tehamer

shu y’ani oLD q’arz R for poor pee-pol wallah !

I like all cars, unfortunately I need one as a tool for work, doing 30-40,000 miles per year. I keep my cars for approx 5 yrs each to minimise the affect of depreciation. At the end of life I am lucky to see £1000 part ex. They still dont qualify for scrappage.
I admire everyone who has time, space and knowledge to keep thhe old cars going, however I wouldn’t wish my old ones on anyone else.
The scheme needs modification, 10yrs old is too much, it should be condition / mileage based and you should be able to buy cars to one yr old.

Dear god, if people who write such drivel as “citroens must die” exist in the world, I think I’ll take my leave now! Small minded fugwits.

Scrappage is a stupid idea, which is why it’s pleasing to see Classic Car Weekly campaigning against it.

Oh and Mr Barlow – a 1978 Cortina with a boxy arse is surely a Mk4 not a Mk3?

Old cars do deserve to live on. They do much more than quite every car on sale now

I could not agree more, people should be allowed to have a choice in their means of transport and the age of the car should not even come into it. So long as it goes and it well maintained what is the problem? We should not all have to drive the latest cloned offering, yes we need new cars otherwise their will be no more old ones for the future but I wonder just how long the new generation of cars will last in the long run? Goodness knows the powers that be have taken all but the faintest thread of fun out of driving so why not something old, just for the hell of it?

no one is trying to take your bangers imbaciles!! the scheme is an option ! get it ???

anyone want my 11 year old base model rover 414?
give us £2000 and its yours, dents, rust, scratches and loose trim all included!
no takers?
just as well, co i have a shiny new panda ordered that will cost me less than £23 quid a week.
this thread is a load of old cobblers anyway, of course nobody is going to scrap a cherished motor, whatever make or model, but there are some real nails on the road and this scheme will remove some of them. i would like nothing better than to run a 1971 2.0 vittesse ragtop, but i dont have the funds or the time to invest
in running a classic.new car it is then!
only 5 weeks to wait now

Old cars shouldnt be scrapped if they still work, im sure there quite a few jolly old chaps who would like nothing more than to spend their day with their cortinas, then again theres always the group of ‘inexperienced younger drivers’ who always run about in their Toyota Corolla AE86s at 3 in the morning with exhausts that sound like a donkey farting through a saxophone. Dont scrap em, giv them to those who would want and appreciate them…

If people on this page are really into this idea of keeping our old cars, let start a bandwagon

I drive a 12 year old Fiesta, and used to have a same age Punto, even though its engine went, I wouldnt scrap it! And the Fiesta isn’t perfect, but no way a new car could replace it. Its could little foibles, but to me, its all I need, no need to buy some thing new, when my old bangers do the job perfectly at a portion of the price! And looked after, the Fiesta should last me a solid few years.

soooo can’t wait till new series starts been looking it up for ages and looking for sneak prewiews lol can’t wait.x

I drive a 1971 Triumph 2000 mk2 that is frankly great for its age, its got character in bucketloads and a lovely straight 6 howl, and wil keep up with modern traffic. Would I scrap it for a new eurocrapshack takeaway box? never. This was a car, like the Cortina, and the Sierra, of which I havent seen many recently, that was once a common site on Britain’s roads, but when was the last time you saw one?

Exactly.

time for preservation, not scrapping, methinks an old 60s/70s/80s car given occasional love and care will run for miles and miles.

If Zanussi churned out too many cheap nasty badly build washing machines,would the government bring in a washing machine scrappage scheme asking people to scrap their old washers and buy new ones .The fact is car companies have got to the point where they are making cars too fast using cheap materials badly put together.Even so called high end companies like B.M.W. are churning out crap.quality has been replaced by nasty plastic wings and really bad paint jobs(check out a new black beemer next time you see one and look at the orange peel)i work on new cars all the time and see how they are put together and believe me you are all being ripped off big time.Just wait until you get your shiny new little “gem” home after scrapping your trusty old motor then realising you are in debt for the next 5yrs and then being hit for servicing costs which you need to keep you warranty valid.don’t worry they will only charge you about 3to400 quid for a service on top of the monthly payment you can’t really afford.and when your newe car dies in about 5yrs coz it was so badly made you will have to buy another because all the decent second hand cars have been scrapped years ago.meanwhile my 12yr old planet munching 4×4 will have sailed through yet another m.o.t. at a cost of thirty quid.yes buy new it’s really worth it……NOT

the scarappage thing is terrible i dont think modern engines are as ‘efficent’ as they are said to be. i had a peugeot 305 diesel in the early 90′s and it a big estate car did 50mpg no problem, so did the xantia that replaced it. but scrappage allowance is going to make some old cars extinct. i would love to get another 305 and keep it in a garage as the one i had was such a great tool around the farm when we owned it. the scrappage thing will avoid cars like the citroen ds, austin 7 and mini because they are allready classics but cars of the 70′s and 80′s that will be classics in the future will be lost. one great example of this wastefulness was an old mercedes e250d estate we had in the family, it did get a bit old and i could not afford to run it as merc parts are that little bit deerer but in the end it was scrapped for £100 a car worth about £20,000 or more when new and there was very little wrong with it i would say £500 and it would have been like new that was for the hydraulic suspension pump for the rear suspension. the main problem i see with new cars is that they are made like disposable items, plastic bumpers that when crashed are impossible to put back on right, and plastic interiors that can be melted down easily. why cant cars be made to last like they once did.

i agree with what Richard Hammond said a few weeks ago in that it is more ecological to keep an old car going, rather than scrapping that and getting a new car. what the scrappage scheme is basically doing is getting rid of the nicer, older yet less efficient cars and replacing them with calculators that are made from, essentially, crude oil! why get rid of classic cars when they are better than more modern, if you know what you are doing and dependant on what classic car and its condition, because of chrome (plated stainless steel) bumpers they can be much safer as well. classic cars give you cheap or even free (pre ’73) tax and cheap classic car insurance and despite fuel consumption they are much cheaper than modern cars. classic cars are more fun and clubs enable you to go to events and help you work on these cars aswell. my friend just bought a rover p6 2.2 – tax =190. ins = 150. mpg = 30-35. car itself = 1500. my neighbours audi a2 1.6 fsi on the other hand: tax = 125. ins = 2500. mpg = 35-40. car itself = 13000. see my point here!!! why get a modern object made of crude oil and backs of calculators when you can get a cheap classic made properly, to last, out of aluminium s/steel and iron!

While Classic boy makes his point well and I myself am anti-scrappage he has missed a few points;

Because the cost of a new car is so high (unavoidably I know, for instance the current Ford Fiesta is a break even program and therefore will make no profit whatever) £2000 makes little difference to the cost. this sadly means that at the very least some those taking advantage of the scrap incentive are people who could have afforded a new car anyway, therefore there old cars being crushed are likely to be the better kept of their kind and so be the ones which eve in a less than ideal world should be kept.

However the owners of less well kept examples of these qualifying cars will ,because they cannot afford the 4+ grand to buy a new car under the scheme will keep running their currant cars.

It must however be considered that the owners of vehicles that are over 10 years old and have kept them serviced ect. possess a certain enthusiasm for their chosen model and are therefore unlikely to scrap it.

I am trying my best to preserve a few worthy Jap’ imports for this purpose, If our stupid politicians only stopped and thought for a moment instead of taking the view that to “Govern” meant they must continuously churn out “stupider and stupider” ideas to “beat” the opposition with!!
Have a look at http://www.marplebridgecl assics.com and let me know what you think – I mean constructively and not replies from politicians please – you are all brain dead in my eyes!

i hate all this about scrapping old cars i think the road is clogged up by all these modden boring cars they all look alike now days i prefer the old unreliable cars which you can repair your self on your drive way
i drive a mk4 escort xr3i and i would never scrap it i would rather spend my money on gettin it in better condition than spend it on a modern boring peice of shit me and my brother own 5 mk4 escorts between us and i wouldnt scrap any even if some of them have holes the size of foot balls in the floor id rather walk than drive a electrical peice of shite

When my father becomes the politician then i tried these cars on the flashy and smooth roads with excitement

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my favourite car is a peugeot 305 and i have only ever seen 1 of them on the road ! DONT leave these very rare cars there to rot !

I WISH IT WAS ILLEGAL TO LET PEUGEOT 305s ROT !!

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