Vauxhall: culling the weak

Posted by Matt Master at 3:08 pm on Friday June 5, 2009

This economic chokehold on the motoring industry is squeezing air out of everyone, but it’s doing us a great service at the same time. It’s culling the weak. Separating the wheat from the chaff.

I have enjoyed a Terminator-like emotional response to the recent fortunes of Vauxhall, a brand that has always left me the cadaver side of cold.
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Obviously people losing their jobs is a personal tragedy, but that’s happening everywhere.

Objectively, when a rubbish product goes to the wall, it’s fair dos. It means than when the capitalist dawn breaks and reps are picking through their catalogues to spec up their new mile-munching three-box saloons, they might not have to choose between five types of Vectra. Or Insignia as it now is.

In the US, where Vauxhall’s parent company General Motors is now ‘Government Motors’, things still look bleak.

The automobile in no small part gave birth to 20th Century America, a symbol and manifestation of freedom, which in itself is the fundament of the American psyche.

And now GM is owned by The Man.

Your freedom now belongs to the government. I very much doubt that people are going to aspire to own a car – and cars will remain a deeply aspirational purchase through all this – that is being sold by The System.

Could this spell the end of misplaced patriotic loyalties? Rover hadn’t made a good car in decades when it went tits up.

And yet we went into some sort of Lady Di state of national mourning. GM was a shambles for a long time, making the bed that it, and Opel and Vauxhall, now have to sleep in.

Vauxhall didn’t make bad cars, not like Rover at any rate, but they were obliged to make boring euro boxes, dictated by the bean counters in Germany and ultimately Detroit, where Barack Obama is now dishing up soup on the streets.

So if the worst happens, and GM/Opel/Vauxhall doesn’t recover, at least we motoring minions can avoid driving at best unimaginative and at worst frequently sub-standard products. This is just Darwinism. It’s brutal, but it works.

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  1. manbearpig said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 4:14 pm Link to comment Report comment

    but isn’t it ironic that this is happening just as Vauxhall starts to build decent, interesting cars for once?

  2. AccordGuy said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 4:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Vauxhall will probably survive the Darwinian test in the same way that Bumble Bees have.

    Bumble Bees don’t work on paper. They are big, round, fluffy, can’t fly in a straight line to save their lives. Technically, they shouldn’t be able to fly at all but somehow there are lots of them around after millions of years of “natural selection”.

    Go figure…

  3. Tak said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 4:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Government Motors! Hilarious! Now they’re truly ‘The General’.
    I like bumblebees, they’re cute and nearly cuddly… Gimme bumblebees over flies anytime. But I feel the bumblebee comparison is rather more applicable to Morgan : )
    I actually owned a Corsa once, a facelifted mkI 60hp. It was very nice, I wish I still had it. Opel went downhill after that.

  4. jolly roger said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 5:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hmm i imagine this eco-darwinistic frenzy of the four wheeled will ultimatley end in all of us driving duracell powered ferraris made in a most exciting way by and for the man… where do i sign up for extinction Mat ? ps for the price of a vauxhall substandard isn’t even a bad deal.. wich probably explains all the hype on supercars..:D

  5. jolly roger said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..and besides the price, there is another upside to substandards.. they need to be replaced rather frequently and thereby stimulate change as opposed to the quality eurobox that simply will not disappear..polos,golfs, passats,a3z, a4z, a6z…all the VAG rubbish just to name the obvious.. why can’t they die ??????

  6. jolly roger said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 5:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    a last thought on the brutality of the evolution of capitalism, survival of the richest and the likes.. TATA ..and his nano ! substandard ‘ere we come !!! it IS brutal…:D

  7. jolly roger said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 5:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I choose aids :D:D

  8. jolly roger said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 5:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    great “insight” btw, thanx

  9. jamjam said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 7:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i agree with manbearpig it is very ironic!
    oh and Darwinism is a load of rubbish so that just spoilt that for you hey!

  10. The Cobra said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 8:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i dont want vauxhall to die, just seperate from opel and become truly british again, first thing they should do, put the lotus carlton back into production at an insignia type price, HEH! vauxhalls have made some good cars in there time (we used to ahve a 150 bhp gte astra mk3, you know with the led dasg, gene hunt sense of humour and the WILD tourque steer proper sierra cossie chaser in her day) dumpo the german eco freindly stuff and the euro boredom, and keep making mad bad, cars like the vxr series. dump the lower range stuff, and become alow volume, home made builder of nut cars. oh, and kill off the effin diesels.

  11. jolly roger said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 8:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    dear cobra,so basically what you’re suggesting is they kill off the stuff that sells and invent stuff that doesn’t… maybe you could be the new ceo ? Get mat in on the idea and he could come up with the exciting new superstandard euroboxy foxy woxy quattro chaser thing and bring joy back into british motoring for the man ?? Just an idea..:D

  12. jolly roger said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 8:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps last time vauxhall were truly british was around the mid 1920′s.. they went bust because they made good cars that nobody wanted.. fooled me once your bad, fooled me twice mine…

  13. Grimble said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 9:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Sorry Matt, a pile of drivel. Yep Vauxhall leaves me cold as well, and they’ve never recovered from that awful, awful Griff Rhys Jones ad campaign. But their cars are OK, and better than a lot of the dross people go out and buy.

    The reason you’re wrong wrong wrong, though, is that Opel will continue, and they’ll continue to be sold in the UK as Vauxhalls – but meanwhile many good hard-working folk in the UK will have lost their jobs. Being flippant about that isn’t big and isn’t clever.

  14. V said...
    Friday June 5, 2009 at 11:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Why is it that when a car is badged Opel it is of good-to-average in rating, but when you stick a Vauxhall badge that rating goes to average-to-bad… Does everyone agree on this?, If so why?

  15. Gearite said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 12:37 am Link to comment Report comment

    Speaking of “Government Motors,” how can the government be expected to be an impartial owner of two major competitors in the American motor industry (Chrysler and GM). It simply does not make sense that they will be able to make decisions regarding the best interest of both companies, given that they are competing with themselves. I predict civil automotive war, followed by sloppy merger, and as a citizen of the US, this is greatly dissatisfying.

    http://www.gearite.com

  16. KevinB said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 5:48 am Link to comment Report comment

    I totaly agree on what grimble said, Opel will be saved by any means. Because the german goverment wants it. There is one question only which remains, which of the english factories will be saved? they rather build right-hand drive opels in germany and rebadge them in the UK, than have factories which don´t run at 100% percent.

    Because they have build factories in germany which are way too big and don´t run at 100% percent. there WILL be a loss of factories and there will be a loss of job, but they are more likely to be lost in belgium or the UK.

  17. orkneyman001 said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 11:38 am Link to comment Report comment

    What’s all the fuss about??? You can’t blame Vauxhall and Opel for the f**k-up that is GM. Sure they’ve made some awful stuff in the past but now most of their brands are decent enough (I’ve a 1995 Corsa and the damn thing just keeps on going….220K miles and it still drives fine..). Opel and Vauxhall are suffering the flak that’s come down from GM.. Most of the Vauxhalls people buy are either made in Belgium or Germany with Vauxhall badges.. The German government is stepping in because not only is it vote-friendly, Germany is also a powerful machine in the European economy and it wouldn’t do to have Opel fail. If Vauxhall are to survive, it should break away from GM and become financially independant, whilst buying in floorplans and engines. Why doesn’t the British Govenment take it over, like Renault in France? Surely Brown couldn’t screw that up worse than the rest of the country??

  18. Greece guy said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 1:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    my Bike is better than a Vauxhall but i actually like the other cars.i really like insignia for the performance of it.i think it deserves a 16/20.Don’t you think?

  19. Mikeado said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 3:48 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It’s true that Vauxhall were finally getting their act together when the credit crunch hit – the Insignia even picked up a TopGear Award in the Executive category I seem to remember…

    Vauxhalls were and are popular – some go for the mental VXRs (Sadly I’ve yet to see a Monaro or VXR8 out otr), but mums (Zafira) and students (Corsa/Astra) are all over them, so they must be doing something right.

  20. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 5:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    yup, they last for ever and ever and ever and a day.. and almost all their models were mega popular with the man..and even the petrol head.. manta, tuned kadette c-z, I actually can’t come to think of an opel that didn’t sell in millions.. can you ? If za chermans decide to close down the uk plants that will def. be an indicator for culling out the weak.. the weakest link in both the gm and now magna chains is vauxhall..because our government couldn’t be arsed and rightly so.

  21. Ginger said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 5:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I am sick of motoring journalists slating off Vauxhall cars, especially the Vectra.I drive a 3.2 v6 GSI and its a fantastic vehicle and a great car for scaring beemers.I reckon you lot just think its trendy to slag off certain marques but real people know how wrong you are.Clarkson had trouble with understeer with the vxr but maybe he’s just a rubbish driver.

  22. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 5:11 pm Link to comment Report comment

    having said that, i wouldn’t be caught dead in one !! but hey that’s just me and there are lots of other brands i don’t really have an affinity for but that doesn’t mean they should just die, ..would be a bit on the nazi side of darwinism and we wouldn’t want that would we ?

  23. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    well ginger, some of the “journalism” and “insight” up here is really dodgy.. in some cases a tad too dodgy if you ask me and they’re actually getting paid for it.. the joke is we actually read it!!! :D

  24. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 6, 2009 at 5:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    more often than not one finds motor journalists splitting hair over quality.. practice what you preach ??? naaaaaah..why bother, after all you get what you paid for and this is for free… great spirit !

  25. Wankle Engine said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 1:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Maybe they should changer their name to Opel!

  26. Jessy said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 4:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Show me an Opel or Vaux which was built before 2000 that didn’t rust away while you were signing the sales contract…

  27. Wobbletastic said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 5:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’d love to see all vauxhalls vanish from the steets… horrid dull cars with rubbish steering and frequently driven by prats.

  28. TexasFight said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 6:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Natural selection won’t happen. The US gov’t will show preference to GM in awarding contracts, buying government vehicles, and subsidizing prices.

    All this will be at the expense of Ford, the only US automaker making good cars and to only one to refuse taxpayer money. If Government Motors drives Ford into bankruptcy, then they can take control of them as well.

  29. VXRMan said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 7:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Articles like this are the reason why people read and watch Top Gear for entertainment (who doesn’t like seeing Caravans get blown up or a V8 roaring round a track) but not for advice. We watch and read it for fun, but as an educational tool into the car market, its worthless. Go promote Ford somemore lads $$$.

  30. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 8:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    jessy, show me an alfa, a lotus, a merc or even a ferrari… and yes vauxhalls are a bit uninspiring but than again so is 80% of the rest..I mean when was the last time you got into a regular repmobile, your avreage mum’s or girlfriend’s car and felt like you were in motoring heaven ? as a selfacclaimed petrolhead I think most cars on the road are actually quite boring both to drive and to look at so I tend to go for those i find exciting,while other ppl might have different priorities like price, reliability, insurance, spares, durability,fuel efficiency etc. believe it or not to some a car is merely a means of transport and nothing else.. they don’t mind the dull grey interrior, the diesel takketytak, the understeer at speeds they’ll never reach and bla bla bla… right ?

  31. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 8:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    actually, I think both vauxes and opels had the right compromise of price/quality ratio.. the cheaper stuff is/was really crap and the more costly part of the market, in most cases, was/is overrated..take them out of the equation and in the current situation you’ll most probably end up with ppl opting for the cheaper crap hyundais,renaults, suzukis.. and not the overpriced VAG/merc/bmw type products and we would all be worse off.. or is it just me ?:D

  32. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 9:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    so just because the recession took the man temporarily out of the equation we blame the product that now he can’t buy ? That would be a bit like saying a 3 month holiday on the seychelles is crap coz right now we can’t afford it… or that angelina jolie is disgusting coz you can’t shag her..:D simply just lame!!!

  33. Mo said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 9:14 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’ve owned astras Mk3, 4 and 5 and learned to drive in a corsa, best thing i love about them is the used values are good and you get a lot of car for your money.

    and if you maintian them properly, they never break, my first astra was a mk3 1996 1.6i 16v and for a first car it did me proud, until some idiot in his BMW decided to show off to his girlfried how fast it goes and cme flying into the side of my astra at the same time.

    Vauxhall should be saved because they are decent,affordable cars for the masses who cant afford the insurance and the cost of the “COCK MOTORS” (BMW, AUDI, MERC) and who dont want to waste their money on French plastic

  34. TexasFight said...
    Sunday June 7, 2009 at 11:10 pm Link to comment Report comment

    A few Vauxhalls will survive (in the US, no less) as the Saturn VUE (Antara) and Aura (Vectra). Sadly they will discontinue the Astra and Sky (Opel GT). I was hoping for an Insignia based Aura in a few years, but that probably won’t happen now.

  35. Tak said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 10:44 am Link to comment Report comment

    Jolly, your #5 seems a pretty accurate description of Windows, cellphones, satnavs, gaming consoles, pc’s and all software…
    There are a few Opels I’d still like to drive, though not many. A Kadett C GT/E, an Ascona or Manta 400… Not many survived though. As for Vauxhall: except for the Viva (which I’d rather forget), none ever went continental. Which says it all, really.

  36. jolly roger said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 4:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    tak, considering most vauxhall actually came from the continent, I’m not quite sure what you mean when you say they never went continental.. as for the mantas, kadettes/chevettes, asconas etc.. there are quite a lot to pick from.. check out pistonheads or some german manta sites.. they aren’t really me but some of the stuff is filled with 80′s style mods.. a tad cheesy but fun none the less:D
    my /5 applies pretty much to everything in modern society..from house hold appliances, it, banking, travel, you name it really it’s adaptive evolution ..the idea is to feed consumer demand… there are things, though fewer and fewer, that simply die like typewriters but most of the stuff we already had in the seventies is still here in some way or form evolved to suit contemporary standards..
    and it usually wasn’t the weakest products that were culled out either rather the stuff that became absoulete or wasn’t able to adapt.. in the spirit of revival though I thinks objectivity demands that we keep in mind ppl like Iaccocca who saved ford with his mustang and turned chrysler around in the early 70′s and that we don’t forget how in the 60′s even audi ceased to exhist for a while and just have a look at what jezza and co. did to Top Gear.. I’m really disappointed how journalists tend to put things into perspective nowadays all in the name of sensationalism…this article is a perfect example… I guess up here it doesn;t really make a difference, however watch idiocracy the movie and it all becomes quite scary.

  37. jolly roger said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 4:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..and i really can’t decide wich is better.. quality boredom or substandard fun.. :D.. the rough ride and uncomfortable and boring road response in an m3 when not on a track for example or the comfy dullness of say any given vauxhall…after all just exactly how exciting the drive gets is really up to you. The rest is just your ego, image and sense of satisfaction.

  38. Jessy said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 4:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @Jolly Roger

    I sell used cars here in Germany, so I have a lot of different brands to compare. And believe it or not, the old opels (no matter how many miles they have done) have more rust on them than..oh lets say an Uncle Bens car that has done 3x the mileage.

    I remember buying a 1996 Omega MV6 from an elderly man that really took care of his car, even THAT had rust and the thing had only done 25k in 5 years, and it was even kept in a garage!

    So I doubt that if you treat a Japanese car that way that it will rust.

    And just for the record: I am not a Japanese car freak ;) Just using it for an example.

  39. jolly roger said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 5:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    so what are you trying to say jessy ? That metal rusts ? Well yes it does, alfas rust, ferraris rust and there is more rust on my e46 than there was on my e34 ten years ago at the same age.. so where does that leave us ? Aluminium and plastics.. or simply changing cars every say 3 years wich i believe is the most common leasing option we’re given when buying a car… Japanese cars hit big in germany because they offered airconditioning, electric windows and full automatics for the price of a passat or a golf with nothing more than power steering and the best part was that you could get yourself a new one every three years.. so rust or no rust it all comes down to demand.. I’d rather have a slightly rusty bimmer than a mint nissan but that’s just me.. gm europe were forced to compete with fords and jap stuff and regardless the rust I think they did okay.. after all you get what you paied for… but YOU tell me :D

  40. KarMa said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 7:08 pm Link to comment Report comment

    In the realm of keeping a midsize car affordable there will always be compromises, and “typical brand defects” are intentional 99.9% of the time from the beginning. Nowadays choosing a brand over another one means “choose your favourite cons” which are the countervalue for “favourite pros”.
    Cars that have less visible defects than others usually have hidden ones or are expensive for their size and performance, aka midsize VW are “too expensive” and ford engines “consume too much fuel for what they give”.
    Old Opels become rustbuckets but they don’t have the abovementioned “defects” and are good deals when used because fussy people don’t buy them “just for the rust spots”.

    Customers become fussier, they have the right to, therefore opel fails to be competitive, ’cause if they spend more money in paint and welding tecnology they become as expensive as VWs, which is not a good idea if you can’t use the VW badge to justify the price, ’cause your car falls “between VW and VW-Skoda”.
    IF Opel bought Saab they could “play with the fancier logo like others”.
    FIAT can afford to change policy ’cause they can label a fancy fiat as Lancia anyway, and a performing one as Alfa, and a tough truck as Iveco, therefore making the product wear the suit which is appropriate for the customer, exactly like Vw with Audi, Skoda and Porsche.

  41. Damian said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Mam pytanie kiedy program Top Gear na czele z Richardem Hammondem ,Jamesem Mayem, Jeremym Claksonem odwiedzą Polskę? Czekam na odpowiedż

  42. Michał said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 7:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Kiedy program Top Gear odwiedzi Polskę?

  43. Krzysiek said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 7:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    When programme Top Gear will visit Poland ?

  44. Zbyszek said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 7:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    When programme Top Gear will visit Poland?

  45. Murinio said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 7:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Kiedy program Top Gear odwiedzi Polske?
    Czekam na odpowiedż

  46. KarMa said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 7:21 pm Link to comment Report comment

    For the record, I drove a tough old rusty Kadett for quite a while, and I was perfectly satisfied about it and its fiat-equivalent cheapo interiors, just put premium tyres on it to help its cheapo chassis and drove it where I wanted to go, always reaching the destination safe while fast enough while on a budget.

  47. jolly roger said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 8:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    karma, as far as I know new cars don’t really come with rust spots..and most used ones do so the “opel fails to stay competetive” theory is a bit off the top of your head. If you want to look at depretiation values as quality indicators you’re going to have to factor in things like durability, value for money etc.. and this is where opels did well and not on innovation as opposed to some of the other manufacturers..you can than decide wether you’d like a 3 year old audi a4 with relatively high mileage or a brand new vauxhall in the same class… it is like you said a question of compromise, pros and cons… the less competition we have the less choice we’ll end up with.. so much for culling out the weak..

  48. jolly roger said...
    Monday June 8, 2009 at 8:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    if anything was worthy of getting culled out, I’d say start with the parasites. Brands that capitalise on copying market niches from market leaders..start with lexus,all the korean crap, get rid of skodas, seats and the likes..suzukis and well we all know who they are…

  49. Jessy said...
    Tuesday June 9, 2009 at 10:22 am Link to comment Report comment

    Yes, all cars do rust, but some just “blossom” a bit faster than others. And forget solving the problem with aluminium: Renault Avantime (Aluminium Roof etc) also had “Rust” on it, and that was a 2003 model.

    Opel got into this mess because it has a bad reputation. Like I said, ask anyone what he or she thinks when they hear the word opel, and the first word shall be “rust…”

    Then the quality of the rest of the car was just as good as the body. Strangely (maybe some of you have noticed this as well) I never seem to have found an Opel where the Hazard-Lights switch worked properly. I could always turn em on, but never really turn them back off because the switch didn’t funktion properly.

    Yes, every car has its “problems” and that is something that you just can’t get rid of. But is BMW in such a state where it needs help from the government? Or Audi? Or Merc? No? Well I guess that means because they build good cars that people like to buy…

    As the Germans say: “Quality over Quantity..”

    Oh..wait…isn’t that Darwinism?

  50. KarMa said...
    Tuesday June 9, 2009 at 11:47 am Link to comment Report comment

    “as far as I know new cars don’t really come with rust spots..”
    They definitely don’t, like new Polski fiats aren’t faulty from the beginning and there’s no factual reason to buy a mid-big Mercedes over a big VW or a Lexus of the same price.
    But a lot of ppl evaluate cars from their brand and from defects that other models produced maybe in early eighties had.
    The last Corsa was very disappointing in braking compared to its competition, and this might be something worth mentioning, but it’s about the corsa only, not “all opels”.

  51. jolly roger said...
    Tuesday June 9, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    jessy, on solving problems with aluminium.. as a car dealer I’m sure you’re aware of the aluminium space frame.. the A8 had it from birth and that was exactly 15 years ago.. seems to work… the reason it doesn’t work on some scenics is because of the welding, it’s french, cheap and thereby crap, but it is actually the weldspots that rust and not the aluminium( basic chemistry.. )the hazard switch thing is just one of those things..like the central lock mechanism on all alfas, the left rear brakelight on bimmers, the handbrake indicator light on fezzas, the fuel lid dispatch on lambos etc., etc., etc., shall evolution kill them off too ???

    As for government aid… I’m sure you’re a good guy.. but if come tomorrow your livelyhood were to be taken and you really had no where to go… gm went bust because of bad management. People at their financial dept. simply bet on the wrong horse and were incompetent, this of course, eventualy, relflected on their products.. you do the maths..

    I live in england, a fairly posh area called the cotswold’s, clarkson’s house is down the road but regardless the well to do majority the lots are filled with vauxhalls old and new..and yes some are a bit rusty but most of them aren’t and considering the amount of downfall we get here that in itself is an achievement.. there are loads of golfs, hondas and renaults but every third car is a landrover with more rust than paint.. ppl seem to like them as well..

    Is that darwinism ?

    and out of curiosity.. what is the most popular budget car made in germany..in germany ? please say it isn’t a suzuki :D

  52. jolly roger said...
    Tuesday June 9, 2009 at 5:14 pm Link to comment Report comment

    and karma, if ppl still reflect on brands from their experiences in the eighties wheelbarows like the polski wouldn’t even exhist..it is mainly, for better or worse, a question of marketing, supply and demand.

  53. jolly roger said...
    Tuesday June 9, 2009 at 5:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    and jessy just one more thing.. vw, in the recent past,were bought out of their majority holdings in vag.. by porsche who are by now considered more prestigeous as an invetment company than an auto manufacturer..so it wasn’t the gvmnt. it was porsche… bmw are privately owned google the family..they don’t really need the gvmnt either.. merc..stadtkreis… the cradle of the auto induastry how can you even imagine them not being promoted by the county..wich as far as i am aware is part of the state of germany and thereby under gvmnt. jurisdiction… hello !!!

  54. jolly roger said...
    Tuesday June 9, 2009 at 5:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    the quality over quantity is nice, ..as a philosophy..doesn’t really apply to consumer societies though… I’d rather have one good thing than two not quite as good or four bad ones but since I can’t make most of the stuff I use, I have to buy it..I’m sure you know the feeling… There are however ppl out there, even in germany, who can only hardly manage the one bad thing they buy… apply your theory of darwinism to them and what you end up with is a part of your history we’d rather forget but all have to remember… sorry bro, but you arte soooo wrong.

  55. jolly roger said...
    Tuesday June 9, 2009 at 6:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..and so is this, in my humble but outspoken opinion, rubbish article.

  56. Jessy said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @Jolly Roger:

    nice arguments there, gotta admit I do enjoy the chit chat.

    To sum my opinion up: An old merc of the 80′s and 90′s was a tank. Now to be honest, I hate them. The design is to conservative, there is no styling, but when it comes to quality there was no beating them. And of course every car has its little “problems”

    BUT!
    I understand niggles with the transmission, or parts that really do hard work on a car. Its called “wear and tear”…

    What I don’t understand is when something is just made of crap (for example the hazard lights switch) and that is really uncalled for.

    Government aid…hmm..nice topic, but please do tell me why Opel is getting funding from the government, and one of the biggest department stores in germany isn’t?

    As for Mercedes: tell me why all the cars that were built by them in the “Daimler” marriage are also crap (in comparision to the mercs that were built before). All Taxis in Germany were Mercs, up until the new E Class came, and then all of sudden almost NONE of them were newer mercs. Why you ask? The answer is simple: They weren’t built as good as the ones before. Ask anyone who works on the production line, those boys should notice the difference I believe…

    And when it comes to VW..there can’t be too many companies left on the planet that haven’t been bought by them. Audi, Lambo, Bentley, etc. (Don’t believe me? Come on over to Wolfsburg and have a go in their “AUTOSTADT”. Nice day out with the family) But VW in my opinion just knows how to put a car together. Compare a used Phaeton with a used A8…just the price is really mind blowing, and I would prefer the Phaeton over the A8 any day. Same comfort, same extras, WAY cheaper.

    Maybe (to answer your other question) the Golf III along with the Polo is the most loved car in Germany. I can still sell a Golf III with some extras for over 3 grand. An Astra, built in the same year with more extras wouldn’t even make 2k…unless its a cabrio, and its summer….and we have good weather….which we don’t ;)

    Cheers

  57. Richard said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I have a citreon C3 – Can you suggest which type of suspension to use to improve road handling? Can you also tell me what type of brand the citreon C3 suspension original use ?

    Thank You

  58. jolly roger said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 4:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    :D jessy, good talking to you too… and agreed old mercs were tanks and the new ones aren’t.. but when a company like merc have to prioritise funds and end up with sacrificing build quality over innovation to maintain the prestige image, well where does that leave opel ? merc weren’t the only ones either.. it hit bmw as well with the notorious back axle boltings.. As for vw, yes they do make the quality eurobox no question about it.. opel however sells their stuff 30% under vw prices and yes the vw is actually worth that much more but when ppl simply don’t have the means, without opel they’ll be forced to buy japcrap or even worse korean.. the sheer number of korean cars on german roads is frightning..and the chevy badge doesn’t make them less rubbish.. Summa summarum, if opel does well it will be because of it’s euro image, it’s seemingly good build quality and relatively alternative design..things the competition, by which i refer to the alternative cheaper stuff, simply do not have..and yes i’m sure if ppl had the confidence to go to their banks and borrow 30% more they’d buy the vw,.. perhaps a bit more conservative, perhaps a bit overrated but definatley a better car.. question is for how long ? The new scirocco btw is the first vw ever that has what it takes.. fantastic looking car:D and on that bombshell, i’m outta here !

  59. jolly roger said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 5:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    oh and the why opel and why not the retail chain..you might want to ask angela.. but I’m guessing it’s votes that count :D

  60. jolly roger said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 5:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    btw, jessy, on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being shit, how would you rate this article ?

  61. jolly roger said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 5:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    citroen richard.. why don’t you just get a proper car ?

  62. Jessy said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 6:23 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @Jolly Roger….it would be in the subzero catagory =)

    and just to make one thing clear: even the germans avoid the crappy Chevrolet stuff over here. Their HQ is also in Bremen and I have been there a couple of times…you should see it. Just as good as their cars.

    And all in all, business is business…don’t forget that the Germans tend NOT to buy new cars, but prefer used ones, which means if you build a good car, then it will sell (resell value etc)..if you build shit, then it won’t sell and you go tits up.

    As for me..I think I’m going to buy an Avantime :D

    (PS: Its not the votes why the retail store won’t be helped. According to Angie she isn’t helping because of the fact that them going bust has nothing to do with the financial crisis going on…gotta love politics hm?)

  63. jolly roger said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hmm germans don’t buy new cars ? that’s a bit opinionated as surely..as angie and her agenda.. but an Avantime ? seriously uncool !!!!!:P

  64. Cleber said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 8:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    When programme Top Gear visit Poland ? Poland is a beatiful country

  65. jolly roger said...
    Wednesday June 10, 2009 at 9:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    cleber, is it actually PO-land as in land of the Pos or is it POL-and as in and of the Pols ? this question is just as relevent as the one above and I would like an answer please:D

  66. KarMa said...
    Thursday June 11, 2009 at 2:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @Jolly Roger: I tend to agree with you, but… a car is an object which is bought by naive and incompetent people as well, and this slice of the market is the one which is subject to ad influence, brand reputation etc.
    All industry (not just car) has to count on that pie slice as well to stay on the market, and these years are critical about that, because “western” people have less money, “formerly eastern” people have a bit more, but adults and oldies aren’t used to marketing stuff (cause they grew up in a system where usually they had ONE brand of car only), and sensationalism helps sales.
    It definitely might not be considered ethical, ’cause people that grew up in an East European environment aren’t used to it and (generally speaking, of course, and with all my respect) have less “anticorpses” than we do… we’re used to make the “square root” of the drama part in reviews and ads, they aren’t.
    Now: OPELs are good value for money, they’ve always been, my old rusty Kadett was completely reliable even not considering how many kilometers it had on its “back”, fact is that nowadays maybe half Bosnians drive our used Kadetts up and down their quite dangerous mountain roads.

    In my opinion OPEL is a very good choice for an used car, but if you buy an used car which is tough and doesn’t require spare parts, the factory doesn’t earn money off that, and nowadays the problem is “ok, I’d like an OPEL, but why buy a new one?”… ’cause no really major evolution other than electronics happened in the last years to the “object called car”, and that means that, if value for money is first in line, one most probably should spend his time and get the best recent diesel engine with a car attached to it.

  67. Jessy said...
    Thursday June 11, 2009 at 2:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @Jolly

    no, the used car market is pretty active over here. The people preffer a car that is one or two years old and has lost most of its value. However, since Angie is giving away 2,500€ if you trade in your old piece of junk for a brand new car the small car market has made a bit of a jump.

    Which means that in 2 or three years polos, corsas etc won’t be worth crap over here…which means I will have to start selling drugs :D

    PS: The Germans LOVE their cars. The way of thinking here IF they buy a brand new car is “Till the MOT do us part…”

    and the Avantime part was a joke ;)

  68. Ging Lai said...
    Thursday June 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Bumble bees obviously can fly. Stop repeating this urban myth already.

    http://dsc.discovery.com/ news/2009/05/21/bumblebee -flight.html

    But yeah, wonder how long Vauxhall/Opel will be held artificially “alive”.

  69. Xav said...
    Friday June 12, 2009 at 4:22 am Link to comment Report comment

    Just saw that Koenigsegg bought SAAB. Interesting…

  70. KarMa said...
    Friday June 12, 2009 at 11:01 am Link to comment Report comment

    oh yes, that’s a nice combination indeed. I hope to see tomorrow a Swedish black-chromed R8 annihilator.

  71. kallos said...
    Friday June 12, 2009 at 11:36 am Link to comment Report comment

    ccx rules lol

  72. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    for better or worse, i’m back :D..

    anyway, karma, without any offense intended, I don’t quite get what you’re trying to say… why buy a newe opel or indeed whgy buy a new car at all ?? why not ? because you can, because you want one, because you can write it off your llc.’s tax, coz your old one is dated, or just boring or simply died.. i mean the reasons for buying a new vehicle are just as numerous as the people who do so and as the people who don’t. An opel was a prefereds choice in eastern
    when the transition from the warsaw pact crap begun because opels were cheap, reliable, relatively easy to maintain, even without a sophisticated dealer infrastructure and bla bla bla.. these people bouhgt a 10 year old vectra wiht 200k on the clock… and put on another 200 before they drove them into the ground.. good marketing ? you bet ! of course, everyone knows that they sell more 7 series bimmers in moscow than anywhere else in europe but that doesn’t mean that they don’t sell opels.. I’m sure suzukis are still more of an achievable brand to aspire to and the korean junk wasn’t really popular because of the brand either but because of the price and the fact that daewoos even looked like opels… anyway, my point is that east or west there will be trends but you can’t just discard common sense and claim that no one buys new cars because they want diesels or whatever it was you were trying to say.. opels sell and would sell well were it not for the fact that avreage joe and the co. he worked for went bust or is scaling down because of the recession.. it really is that simple..

  73. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 6:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    jessy, so they buy a 2 year old car every 10 years ? and this applies to everyone or only corsa drivers ? but sarcasm aside I see your point and you’re the one selling not me..if I were you though I’d be pushing dope already :D
    luv, jg

  74. PottstaUK said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 7:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Bring on the TATA VXR ;)

    For comedy value obviously :)

  75. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 7:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..see my probvlem is, that on a blog like this one, in the name of “oooooohhhhh we LOVE CARS !!!” n’ all..:D ppl tend to lose a sense of reality and fall into this state of “would jeremy approve…”.. and this is by no means a criticism one one of the coolest ppl on telly right now rather on the braindead hearding instinct that tends to follow his opinions and lack his capacity of putting them into perspective… so when ppl like matt, write stuff for the target group of sheep up here, everyone goes booooooooohhhhhhhh !!, opels suck, and vauxhalls are shite because compared to a ferrari and cars that most will never ever own a vauxhall is somewhat uninspoiring.. What they tend to ignore is that after TG’s latest adventure is over it’s back to real life where ppl buy the hondas, polos, micras etc that we so love to hate.. trouble is if this kinda wishfull daydream of an if I were a millionaire nmenatlity interfears and becomes a falsly created reality for adolescents world wide, well where does that leave your vauxhall salesman, or your dad in your sense of precieving him, when he buys one ? Bottom line is not every one drives a merc so why trash everything that isn’t quite as good ? This culling the weak article, written by a man who like the most of us likes his cars, (according to the mag a bit of a quattro man..) is going to come off a tad ambigous when referring to an astra as the weakest link that deserves to die justified by pseudo-darwinistic, home baked theories in taking facts and putting them into opinionated context wrapped in as the truth.
    take all you can, give nothing back is cool if you’re jack sparrow but where does it leave the jolly rogers ?

  76. PottstaUK said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 7:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Or a TATA 888 Turbo ;)

  77. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 7:50 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ahhh and I know I’ve exagerated.. a bit..:D but hey it’s in my genes.. i can’t help it.. it’s darwinism :D !!!!

  78. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 7:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..not really brutal and doesn’t always work but fun none the less..

  79. jolly roger said...
    Saturday June 13, 2009 at 8:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps. who’s going to dish up soup in swindon I wonder ? Obama ? GoBro or Dave ? perhaps you and me ?? darwin :D ???

  80. KarMa said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 10:44 am Link to comment Report comment

    @72 I meant why get a brand new one, when a 3-5 ys old one is most probably perfectly ok? you can write an used one off taxes etc. as well.

    The Insigna is a new model that came out too late to save Opel, or as a good added value to stimulate Fiat-Magna-anyone into buying the firm (which is what happened to alfa.. produced the 75 while going bust, terrific car, fiat got the 75 “for free” together with alfa and cashed).
    If one’s into the Insigna, of course used ones aren’t out yet… if one wants any other opel it’s a whole different story, ’cause they’re “no frills” cars, like Skodas, xcept for the Corsa, which is “some frills and some crap in exchange for the frills”.
    Common sense ONLY rarely strides people into buying km0 brand new cars, unless gov aids push the customer towards that direction.
    Of course this is nation-wise, but take care that in most Countries we don’t pay higher costs for emissions, we’re just forbidden to drive old smog-machines in big city centers on Sunday most of the time.

  81. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 4:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    karma,are you actually convinced that opel/vauxhall/ex gm europe/magna went bust because they didn’t sell any cars ? or was it perhaps because the money they made on selling them went wondering off ?
    The rest, with all due respect given, is nothing more than your personal opinion and you’re entitled to it..but it IS only that.

    btw the 75 didn’t save fiat, fiat saved fiat and gave alfa the opportunity to make the 156 which as we know gave avreage joe the confidence to buy an alfa once again.. I really get that you like cars and are interested in the industry but where do you get ideas like the 75 for free and that an Insignia is the only new opel from ? Nothing is for free.. and things that aren’t used are new… or am I a total nutter ????

  82. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 4:42 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ps. if you do nothing but listen to the radio you’ll know that new car sales are down 50% compared to last year.. that actually means that if you sold a 1000 NEW cars last year, you’ve only sold half that, 500 NEW cars this year… and as we all know manufacturers don’t really care too muych for used car sales as mosrt ppl who buy a used car only go to the manufacturer for parts and more often than not, not even that.. please lets be real okay ? and emmision has nothing to do with it either.. you can probably see it yourself that by claiming that, say the emmision costs in London on sundays will have a global and nation wide effect on vauxhall sales, you’re a bit off..

  83. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 4:45 pm Link to comment Report comment

    god my spelling sux..:D forgive !

  84. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 4:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    and on the buying new issue… buying a used car, even if it is from the dealer gives you a great financial advantage but it’s a bit like downloading music for free..the quality, in some cases, is not as good as it would be if you bought the cd or paid the itunes download fee and because you’re not supporting the industry and thereby ripping off the artist you end up with ppl like cowell dictating what you listen to instead of freaks like real musicians… that’s def. worth at least a second thought as well if you ask me. So while one complains about the lack of new stuff coming out of the quality of it one also needs to keep in mind that if there is no or little input there will also be no or little output..or what goes around comes around, or what you give is what you get.. take your pick :D

  85. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..and, hahaaa I can’t stop..:D, the no or little input in this particular case is not due to bad quality, branding and other marketing manipulations but rather to the fact that ppl who bought gm products are a bit tight on their money and gm, due to crap management had no reserves to counter this… even when they were on top their products were substandard compared to a bmw, a merc or a rolls royce.. but they sold because there was a market with a target group who wanted to buy.. Magna knows this, and fiat knew this which was why they were so keen in investing their time and money into gm europe.. the dealerships, exquisite rights, platform share and other bla bla were just a bonus.. Imagine Burger King buying Mc Donalds… surley they would keep the milkshake and the fries…:D

  86. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 5:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    magna, the farmer producing the meat and the milk ended up with buying the burger chain known as gm europe and they would be insane to drop the burger off their menues and introduce the hotdog instead..ppl wanting the burger would simply buy it somewhere else even if it wasn’t quite the same… culling the weak just doesn’t make sense.. or I just don’t get it..not when it’s opel or vauxhall or for that matter saab…

  87. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 5:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    as for the hotdog chain… only in america… :D

  88. Petrol head said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 8:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Now that the insignia has been out a short while, the faults are coming in thick and fast, electrical as usual with the vauxhalls. After all the fuss, the insignia is just a vectra in disguise. Time to buy Ford.

  89. Ziomek said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    When programme Top Gear visit Poland. Do Clarksonna.Przestań rozwala polskie samochody z łaski swojej i rozwalaj swoje angielskie samochody ktore sa najgorsze na świecie. Wasz Aston Martin jest najgorszy na świecie.Najgorszy samochód można kupi u was w Anglii. I jeszcze jedno odwal się od naszego Poloneza. Jak nie wiesz gdzie jest Polska spójrz w atlas.

  90. KarMa said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 8:45 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Naw, opel went bust in spites of the sales ’cause ALL the car market is drugged and on the edge.
    If Toyota, “the current big one” is renting places to put its unsold cars, of course things get crazy and a recoverable problem becomes a “big kaputt” one.
    All this due to general overproduction, having too many car factories within the EU borders, and other things that would be out of place in this blog, problems that most car brands share, and are not OPEL-Vauxhall exclusives.
    All this plus being OPEL still linked to GM caused it to bust (same with Saab).

    Of course everything that I write is my personal opinion, otherwise I quote. Since I tend to be too long I tend to skip the PC part, sorry if it seems rude, it’s not my intention.

    About the Alfa thing: alfa’s crisis was totally recoverable, but it was a state owned (and not German hee hee) brand. Since FIAT was asked to save minor factories by the government in exchange of silence about its tendency to kick trade unions, it got Alfa as part of a totally political deal. So public owned alfa developed the 75, and fiat owned alfa sold it. and the 75 sold a lot, ’cause it’s a damn’good car.

    I definitely can be wrong, but the game here seems quite similar, at least the part about banks not waiting for the Insigna to sell, ’cause the Insigna seems a damn’good car as well.

  91. KarMa said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 9:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    (since at the moment it seems that state owned car brands in EU are no longer state owned there’s little doubt that Alfa wouldn’t have been an exception… sooner or later, they all go private. It’s not totally a bad thing, but it’s definitely how it’s going since the EEC)

  92. KarMa said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 9:14 pm Link to comment Report comment

    And oh man, the comparison with music industry just sent shivers down anybody that works with spanners and has emule on at the moment…

    …you’re evil :)

    Difference being that buying an used car is perfectly legal, doesn’t help factories, but helps mechanics and aftermarket, tuners included. Well, if the aftermarket is original parts it does help the factory, but more Magna than Opel, in Opel’s case. tee hee…

  93. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 10:45 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hahaha, agreed :D I still don’t get the darwinistic analogy though.. perhaps I never will.. but wtf..at least we got some conversation.. instead of the usual bs

  94. jolly roger said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 10:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    btw. do u actually drive a 75 ??

  95. KarMa said...
    Sunday June 14, 2009 at 11:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well, a point would be that Darwin sometimes gets a hand by economy and politics.

    At the moment, no.. but I’m saving to get one and restore it by myself, possibly a V6. Slow gearbox due to the combination of transaxle scheme + deDion bridge, but best Italian car anyway, talking ’bout the ones normal people manage to buy, of course still IMO.
    A friend of mine had one, I drove it many times, it’s just love.

    The favourite car between the ones I’ve owned still is a close tie between a 2.0 Kadett and a 1.6 turbocharged carb. Delta, that for the record and to try staying in topic… sort of.
    I liked them a lot, the Kadett has been a reliable trustworthy companion, while the Delta was more a cool spoiled groupie I’ve been in lust with.

  96. Charles said...
    Monday June 15, 2009 at 12:07 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I am well pleased with my new Corsa 1.4 Design Automatic, except it will not hold on a slope/hill unless the brake is engaged. Would appreciate any comments from other automatic Corsa ownwers.
    Always had small automatic cars and never experienced this problem.

  97. Mr Kis said...
    Monday June 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Darwinienism is a nice theroy, but if Vauxhall go down it will be about Jobs and Money, not the product, Germany knows this, thats why the factories that will likley close are the ones in the UK and Belgium.

    Name a Manufacturer thats not strugling to sell its products right now?

  98. Thumps said...
    Monday June 15, 2009 at 1:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Matt what a plonker

  99. H said...
    Tuesday June 16, 2009 at 11:47 am Link to comment Report comment

    Damn was just about to tell you that Koenigsegg have bought Saab – But somebody got there first.

    Does this mean Stig will be consulted on the aerodynamics of the new 9-5?

  100. munene said...
    Tuesday June 16, 2009 at 4:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Its choking the air out of almost every pore in my anatomy!!Its crazy….but VW has done us well with the Lupo version which is almost free to run!!

  101. vit4 said...
    Friday June 19, 2009 at 12:42 am Link to comment Report comment

    Well… I’ve got a 1990 Astra 1.4, bottom of the range ‘Merit’ :D Been in my family since new, done near 100,000 miles and never broken down once. Sure, things have gone wrong, but it’s never actually stopped running or failed to start :) Only real problem is the rust bug…

    New Vauxhalls don’t do it for me at all, but to be honest, very few new cars DO do it for me at all.

  102. drac said...
    Saturday June 20, 2009 at 10:24 am Link to comment Report comment

    I think some of you are mad the Vauxhalls have been growing in demand for years and are not only every day work tools but also fun in the right model. Now don’t get me wrong like all car makes they are not the best at every thing but then who is?
    As for the comments on the cdti range has that fool every driven a Astra 150 cdti sport hatch great drive, fun, quick great grip smile factory 100%…. and if you get it chipped to 210 ps just say good by to your tyres lol and that’s a car they have been making since 2005.One last thing next time you on the road see how far you can go before you see a Vauxhall and ask your self are all them people wrong, 2nd largest car registrations 2008.

  103. jolly roger said...
    Monday June 22, 2009 at 9:58 am Link to comment Report comment

    or perhaps matt and some 8 year olds up here aren’t quite as right as they’d like to be…

  104. KarMa said...
    Wednesday June 24, 2009 at 9:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I’m currently wondering if I’m just plain crazy, since I’d buy an Opel way before buying a Merz (Vans aside, which are very good)

  105. jolly roger said...
    Thursday June 25, 2009 at 5:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    :D yups, just plain crazy :D

  106. jolly roger said...
    Thursday June 25, 2009 at 5:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    or perhaps just a realist.. you’ll need to collect less coins for the opel :D

  107. joeyere09 said...
    Sunday July 5, 2009 at 4:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i think the new compeny of vauxhall is bad they should of made it british or somert not canadien

  108. Rich T said...
    Thursday July 9, 2009 at 8:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    As someone who has spent a life time working in the motor industry I’m sorry to see another British name going but, and lets be honest – Vauxhall have built crap for years now. Before anyone says it yes I agree both the Cavalier and original Astras were good cars but that was years ok. The Vectra was appaling, the current Astra has been horifically unreliable: Seriously, I know senior staff at Vauxhall dealer ships who won’t buy Vauxhalls.

    The only people who buy Vauxhalls now are Mr Hertz and Mr Avis and they only buy on price.
    Anyone can do a better job than GM have and as for there destruction of Saab……..

  109. j8716 said...
    Friday July 17, 2009 at 9:30 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I bought a brand new Chevette in 1979 and it proved to be extremely unreliable junk. My sister bought a Ford Escort and it was much better. In 1989 I went to Oklahoma and found that the public believed GM cars were junk and preferred Japanese.
    It was the same in Seattle 1996.
    If a manufacturer can not match the competition for quality then they go out of business. In the case of GM the death has taken a long time.

  110. holden chick 34 said...
    Monday August 24, 2009 at 12:35 am Link to comment Report comment

    TO J8716 SORRY PEOPLE HAVE TO DISAGREE ON
    COMMENTS MADE ABOUT GM AND VAXALL.HERE IN AUSTRALIA COMMODORE SELLS VERY WELL.I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MOST PEOPLE PREFER COMMODORES TO ANY OTHER CAR HERE BECAUSE PARTS ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE AT A RESONABLE
    AFFORDABLE PRICE,THEY LAST LONGER IN OUR CONDITIONS THAN THE JAP CARS,AND IF A EURO CAR WERE TO BREAK DOWN PARTS WOULD COST AN ABSOLUTE FORTUNE TO REPLACE.GM MAYBE AMERICAN BY NAME,BUT OVER HERE ITS NOT KNOWN AS GENERAL MOTORS.ITS ALL AUSSIE
    AND WE SIMPLY CALL IT HOLDEN.HOLDEN HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL CLASSIC MUSCEL CARS LIKE 1964 EH,HOLDEN MONARO,AND THE BEST ONE OF ALL THE COMMODRE LEGEND THE VK GROUP3 SS THAT PETER BROCK WON THE BATHURST 1,000 IN YEARS AGO.EVERYONE THINKS DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR BRAND OF CAR.HAS ANYONE EVER BEEN TO AUSTRAILA?CHECK OUT THIS YEARS BATHURST 1,000 V8 SUPERCAR RACE AND AT THE BASE OF THE MOUNT PANORAMA WHERE THE RACE IS HELD THERE IS THE NATIONAL MOTOR RACING MUSEUM.
    IT’S REALLY WORTH A GANDER CAUSE IT HAS ALL THE HISTORY OF EVERY RACE EVER WON AT BATHURST.CHEERS EVERYONE.

  111. holden chick 34 said...
    Monday August 24, 2009 at 12:42 am Link to comment Report comment

    OH BY THE WAY THE 2 MOST DOMINANT CARS ON THE TRACK ARE FORD AND HOLDEN.HERES A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR AMERICANS WHO THINK HOLDENS ARE NO GOOD AND JUST JUNK.
    ‘BORN IN DETRIOT,RAISED DOWN UNDER,WHILE CREATING THUNDER-HOLDEN AUSTRAILA’S NUMBER 1 CAR.

  112. Haz said...
    Friday November 6, 2009 at 11:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    seem to see way to many rusty vauxhalls on the road that aint even that old doesnt look good for there brand when they seem to look dead by top there 6 or 7 years old, no idea if they new ones will be like that in 6 or 7 years time but alot of them look like there covered in plastics anyways lol…

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