VW tucks into Porsche

Posted by Paul Horrell at 11:08 am on Thursday July 23, 2009

porschePorsche is, after a titanic batttle, about to become a member of the VW Group. Last year Porsche tried to take over VW. VW struck back. This has been one of the great soap operas of industrial history.

The fight has encompassed money, power, glamour and a rift in one of Planet Automobile’s most high-profile families, the Porsche-Piechs.

But at an all-night board meeting last night, the boss of Porsche, Wendelin Wiedeking, was pushed out. He’d led the fight for little Porsche to buy the giant VW Group. He’d always thought he could do a better job of running VW than the VW bosses could. And you could see his point – Porsche was a basket case when he took over in 1992, and he turned it into the most profitable car company on earth.

But to swallow VW, Porsche needed huge sums of money. And the more VW shares it bought, the more expensive the rest of the shares became. In the end, despite borrowing a reported £10 billion, Porsche couldn’t get majority stake in VW.

And then there was the family feud. Wolfgang Porsche is the leading Porsche at Porsche, but his cousin Ferdinand Piech (they’re both grandsons of Ferdinand Porsche) is chair of the supervisory board over at the VW Group. They have spent the past year trying to manoeuvre a majority of shareholding family members – as well as powerful politicians and union leaders – into one camp or the other.

So what does it all mean for car lovers? Well, if Porsche had won the battle, Porsche cars would have remained low-volume, distinctive and expensive. Just a couple of weeks ago Porsche manufacturing boss Michael Macht told me the Boxster/Cayman would always be the baseline Porsche, and that they’d never do a cheaper car.

Well, that was his job title at the time. Yesterday he was given the job of replacing Wiedeking as Porsche CEO. But his power will be curtailed when the VW merger happens.

It’s overwhelmingly likely that Piech will make sure his protegee Martin Winterkorn, currently boss of the VW Group, will be given the task of running the new combined group.

And Winterkorn’s policy, which he learned at the feet of Piech, is to do as much platform sharing as possible. It was Piech, 15 years ago, who masterplanned cars like the Golf/A3/Octavia/Beetle/Leon etc.
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‘Many rods catch more fish,’ Piech used to say.

I think the fact that VW, not Porsche, has won this takeover battle means it’s likely you’ll see more mongrel Porsches. For instance remember the VW Bluesport Roadster? How about a Porsche version, as well as a VW version and an Audi version? Or a Porsche rebody of the Audi Q5? Not a nice thought.

Oh and don’t feel sorry for Wiedeking. He has walked away with a £43 million package. Though he promises to give half away to local Stuttgart workers’ charities.

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  1. AmeriWAT said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 11:55 am Link to comment Report comment

    Porsche can justify their cars looking like Beetles now.

  2. Musashi said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 12:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This is pretty sad.
    One of the worst things from all these company mergers is how so many cars look/feel the same.

    The idea that Porsche could share the interior of a Polo is just ludicrous!
    It would be like Ferrari sharing interiors from a Fiat!

    My only hope is that the bigwigs at VW see reason and keep Porsche as a separate entity to retain the value of the Marque. With the Audi R8 already muscling in, it may be a matter of time…

  3. Aston_85 said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 12:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So one company will be making three rival supercars?

    911
    R8
    Gallardo

  4. Satsujinkyou said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 12:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Now lets see wich car company can get Herr Wiedeking to join theyr board of directors.

    I’d bet on another german company…

  5. qwertyuioopasdfghjkl said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 12:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    german car companys are nothing as good as italian ones.

  6. KKKIA said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 12:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Korean car companies are gonna getcha in your sleep.

  7. Channy said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 1:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Without the Beetle there would have been no 911, so back to the roots I say…

  8. Benny B said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 2:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Mongrel Porsches? Oh please. Don’t see to many mongrel Lambos out there since the VW takeover, do you? What about the Veyron. I think the fact that a man who is an engineer at his core won out over the money man who gave us the excecrable Cayenne should be considered a good thing. Many rods may catch more fish, but Lambo , and Porsche always fished in a small, sparsely populated pond, and Piech understands this.

  9. Duke Nukem said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 2:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    If I have the choose between riding my bicycle and driving a Korean junk bucket, I would rather ride my bicycle. German companies can rise emotions which Far East companies can just dream of. Porsche won’t loose it’s appeal just because it’s a part of VW. Porsche gets an advanced knowledge from VW to improve its driver experience. That’s it.

  10. vector said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Guys try checking this site out http://www.vectormotors.c om/ its a amerian brand of hypercar as they say

  11. vector said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to comment Report comment

    sorry its american brand of hyper car

  12. gfgfgfghc said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 3:43 pm Link to comment Report comment

    kkkwia does kkkwia mean ?

  13. kkkwia said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 3:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    random.pressed random letters

  14. Ash said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 3:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It is a sad, sad day for the automotive world. Everything that made Porsches brilliant lay in the fact that they were always unique. Every part in a Porsche is built by porsche for that model of car. The results could be felt in the way the Porsche handles and drives so perfectly. So what we’ll have now is a VW Beetle with a £65k price tag. And a 911 Turbo will be an Audi TT. It’s just not funny.

  15. Screen Name said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 4:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    So, are we going to get a cheap mid or rear engine Porsche out of this?

  16. Ash said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 5:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    comment #15: probably not. If we do it’ll basically be a VW Boxster or a VW 911. And i’m sorry but VW’s build quality doesn’t compare to Porsche’s.

    Would you buy a Proton Saga just because it’s basically a VW Passat but cheaper? Thought not.

  17. iBOOm said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 5:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    they will do things like the new porsche golf, like they did with the 914 in the 70′s.
    the porsche customer alwas reacted very sensible when porsche and vw worked togehter….the real porsche driver will buy now an sls or an ferrari. i am pretty sure.

  18. ariel said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 7:11 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hope they all go heads down.. the volks wagen, the descendents of Hr.P..audi the whole sharade..and spare us for the ultimate quality eurobox dreamt up by non other than hitler himself..would be a shame about audi, but if the price of getting rid of seats, skodas, passats, golfs and lupos is getting rid of audi, I’d gladly pay it.. but it seems as though the rip off will continue..with vw a3′s, porche q7′s, audi passats and seat a4s all about the badge and the size of your ego.. yuck..WASHINGPOWDER !!!

  19. Dark X said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 7:46 pm Link to comment Report comment

    To all of those worrying about the future of Porsche cars after the acquisition, rest assured that VAG will in no way try to change what has for so many years made Porsche one of the most profitable companies in the automobile history. All the glamour, quality, power and status, what makes from a supercar to a sports saloon, will remain for Porsche cars. Changing that is like buying something awfuly expensive, thrash it with a sledgehammer, recycle all the pieces and create a few dozens of sledgehamnmers so that you can bust even more expensive things in the future. Don’t worry, two of the biggest and most successful groups in history joining forces, VAG and Porsche, is only going to make even better cars. So much better that… it’s almost scary. :)

  20. Scooby3408 said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 8:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Doesnt bother me…….. my scooby will still wipe the smile off the stuck up porsche drivers faces!!!

  21. Stefan said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 8:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Just wanted to say – I have great respect to you and your blog. http://newernew.blogspot. com/

  22. R8 said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 8:58 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It doesn’t matter if Porsche are taken over by VW group, because they already own the following:

    AUDI
    VW
    SEAT
    SKODA
    BENTLEY
    LAMBORGHINI
    BUGATTI

    they mainly keep these entities separate, which is proven by the individuality of the separate brands, thus this merger can only be a good prospect over all for the automotive industry, rather that Porsche going bust like everything else these days?

    Just to let you Musashi that Ferrari are owned by Fiat? therefore you should not have a problem with this merger?

  23. Agent58 said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 8:59 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Can’t wait to see it on your youtube page.
    http://fiestamovement.com  /agents/view/58

  24. Graham Potter said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 9:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Great. How long before I can get the 3.8 litre engine in a Skoda Octavia?

  25. Boston TG Fan said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 9:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    …and we will learn about none of this on the Top Gear TV show. GM has fallen apart, Chrysler is dead, Ford is in a battle for survival, Toyota and Honda have posted huge losses, Honda terminated its F1 team, Saab was bought by Koenigsegg…and all the Top Gear 3 care about is repeating an old joke about a photo of a Honda minivan.

    WILMAN: The bonus fans are just that; bonus fans. Don’t forget that this is first and foremost a car show.

  26. stiggsta said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 9:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    this is just sad they should turn thier name to volks porche but it makes a lot of profit

  27. a german said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 10:27 pm Link to comment Report comment

    …not so bad though.
    just think of Bentley… still British, hm

  28. chickenfeed said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 10:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Judging by the latest Porsche models I think Porsche-Wagen is more apropriate. Who cares, Porsche photocopies entire cars, VW uses the same interior in up to three seperate models. What’s the worst that could happen? A 911 with the ‘as bad as a Chrysler’s’ interior from a Tiguan, or a Tiguan that goes really fast, which could be good because you wouldn’t want to be seen dead and stuffed in one.

  29. Wobbletastic said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 10:58 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I hate VW… they and their whole automotive group make the dullest piles of crud on the roads. I hate everything they touch; everything turns out dull and boring, usually wqith a diseasel engine hammering away in the front. All this platform sharing gets on my tits. It can only be a matter of time before they make Porsche sell their soul down the river and make them stick their badge on an awful heap of cab forward FWD diesel city car junk with electric power steering and an exhaust pipe the size of a drinking straw.

  30. Mr. USA said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 11:20 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Think, General Motors. It happened here and it will happen there :(

  31. Mrs.USA said...
    Thursday July 23, 2009 at 11:49 pm Link to comment Report comment

    You know this is the best news for the Nissan GTR. There goes the last of the justification for the price 911 badge prestige.

    First Porsche pulls out from P2 in ALMS and Lemans, then GTR bests the Porsche’s ring time and now this. Porsche really f-up this year.

  32. Wobbletastic said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 12:31 am Link to comment Report comment

    This is so annoying. I bet VW are going to force Porsche to fit their awful van engines in all their cars… you wont be able to look at a parked 911 without wondering if it’s got a 1.9tdi hiding under the bonnet.

  33. jamesmayjr said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 12:55 am Link to comment Report comment

    Think it’s time Volkswagen spicen-up the Porsche brand by reviving the 914, 924/944 Carrera and the 928…

  34. Tom said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 1:38 am Link to comment Report comment

    Why does everyone think VW will change Porsche? When you have the most profitable car company in the world (before they racked up 10 billion euro of debt), you don’t change them. And comparing VW to GM is ridiculous. GM got where they are by completely ignoring what the consumer wanted for decades, and by having multiple brands who’s cars only differed by how much chrome was in the interior. Whereas VW shares platforms, but not cars, when you hop into an Audi A3 you don’t think you’re in a Golf. Another is the Audi R8 and Gallardo, they share the platform, but you’d never confuse the two. VW also allows its brands to compete against each other, which keeps the cars competitive against the rest of the industry. VW will not share GM’s fate. Its latest financial results are proof of that.

    Wobbletastic, I assume you’ve never driven a Toyota then. They take on dull as a design requirement.

  35. Darryl said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 4:07 am Link to comment Report comment

    Does VW own lambo too? Will that mean the same company owns Lambo, Porshce, and Audi?

  36. Stampide said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 7:04 am Link to comment Report comment

    NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…………… …. Die, DIE VW DIE!!!

    either that or don’t eff around, do any platform sharing, mass manufacturing or bluemotion crap with the Porsche cars. Please. I admire the 911 turbo cars from the 90′s and the current GT3 model too much to see them be succeeded by oversized Mattel cars..

  37. veyronguy said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 10:17 am Link to comment Report comment

    vw own almost every car company

  38. James said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 11:38 am Link to comment Report comment

    Isn’t all this about the impending CO2 legislation, something to do with each car company having to have an average CO2 output across their entire range? By being part of the VW group, my understanding is that Porsche can offset their high CO2 vehicles against those lower ones of VW and Audi.

  39. Jaguar=Mondeo said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to comment Report comment

    We’ll the Germans owns your most dearest car makers. After that you actually can call them cars. British cars were allways very unreliable, extremely dull and technically useless. Maybe you should call the Americans to help you so you don’t have to runaway this time…

  40. nathy molz said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    stampide i understand your fears but look at lambo or audi there still greatcars and there owned by vw

  41. ghfuikf said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    they already share parts,platforms and engines and VW aren’t stupid.

    everything will be fine

  42. Pablo said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 7:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I´d like to see a family hatchback, with a flat four behind the front axle, directed fueled, tourbocharged, with 6 speed manual transaxle transmition… don´t you?

  43. Wobbletastic said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 8:40 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Hey Tom, no I dont think I have ever driven a Toyota (I’m only 24 so Honda are out as well haha) I Have driven a number of other manufacturers modern cars though such as most of the ford range ie Ka, Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo, a few vauxhalls Astras and those people carrier van things, Skoda octavia, the newish Nissan Primera, a Seat Altea (that almost brought me to tears, it was so awfull) a few peugeots, several Mazdas (of which the 6 is the best) a few Volvos S40 and V50 of which I haret the V50 it had a total lack of quality. Some Clios. I have to say that the cars related to VW have had the worst driving feel I’ve ever experienced. It must be something to do with thier awful engines and the stupid electric power steering. I really hope that they don’t spoil porsche my making them use a stupid gearbox, pointless emmissions guff or electric power steering. I can just imagine an upright eco friendly eurobox having a porsche badge thrust upon it, when this happens I shall be sick.

  44. KevinB said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 9:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    and at the end of that day, the familiy porsche-piech owns 51% of the volkswagen group.

    it doesnt matter who owns whom, at the end of the day familiy porsche took over vw.

  45. unam ployedbrit said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 10:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Why are british cars always said to be terrible on this show. Apart from the top four foreign manufactureres whos cars are out of reach for most people, all affordable cars are said to be rubbish.

    So many british jobs depend on manufacturing these cars in Britain. I think the presenters are flippant with their comments.

    Just because they are paid reduculously high pay packets they always push the cars they are able to buy at a whim.

  46. Oh My... said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Wobbletastic, I don’t think anyone is going to take you seriously when it clearly shows you have a grudge against a manufacturer… Just stop commenting please.

    “It must be something to do with thier awful engines and the stupid electric power steering. I really hope that they don’t spoil porsche my making them use a stupid gearbox, pointless emmissions guff or electric power steering. I can just imagine an upright eco friendly eurobox having a porsche badge thrust upon it, when this happens I shall be sick.”

  47. me too said...
    Friday July 24, 2009 at 11:00 pm Link to comment Report comment

    73 per cent of Britons spend their nights worrying and almost one fifth of those surveyed blamed insomnia on worry about job loss.

    Recession depression is a serious condition. I hope the 3 presenters realize what they are doing.

  48. USA said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 4:59 am Link to comment Report comment

    VW is the next GM and I mean that in a bad way.

  49. RWF said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 7:24 am Link to comment Report comment

    Gosh, now all these cars will share parts. Good thing or bad thing, I don’t know. As long as they don’t buy Merc, BMW, Pagani, the whole of Fiat and a few others, I will be happy. I had enough of the clones in different frocks.

  50. Speed Matsers's said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 7:25 am Link to comment Report comment

    it is bad to have all the great brands under the same roof. VW presently possess a lot and all i wanna say that don’t mix Porsche with VW. be independent entities and continue you hot competition.

  51. puma said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 9:41 am Link to comment Report comment

    ordered merc 250cdi in june delivery sept.Just got call to say they have run out of gearboxes delayed until decemder. True or not?

  52. Defoe said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 1:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    When coming up with new vehicles, Porsche decided the Cayenne and Panamera would be more fitting than updated 928 and 944s… and you think VW at the helm is going to ruin the company? They didn’t ruin Audi, they didn’t ruin Lamborghini, they didn’t ruin Bugatti, they didn’t ruin Bentley and they won’t ruin Porsche.

    …although there’s now an opportunity for a 911 with a W-16 on the back porch! :P

  53. Tak said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 2:41 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @1 Porsche could always justify the existence of similarities between their cars and the Beetle.
    @53 I just wish Porsche would make a new 944 or 928 instead of Panameras and Cayennes. Wishful thinking probably, now they have a Cayenne diesel… If that VW roadster came out as a VW/Porsche, I’d be well pleased I think.

  54. GT2rules said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 5:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    First off, i think that even with the merger, i’m not worried at all because Porsche makes great cars and without a doubt, they will continue to improve and succeed!

    secondly, whats with the remarks of Japanese tuner drivers? they think that just because their scoobies or Musshis has turbos they are the fastest?
    I’ve personally experience that japanese tuners has a bad habit of trying to show off by thinking that they can beat a Porsche anytime but only to find out that they got their ass kick big time! I’m saying this because my uncle owns a Porsche GT2 and there are people constantly trying to race with him only to get their ass kick! I know as i was there!

    its just frustrating to read about comments that these people write! this is in direct relation to comment no.20 scooby3408

  55. heinz said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 5:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well, I wouldn’t have felt sorry for Wiedeking anyway. His CEO profits were an awful lot of money, though he did well to deserve it until the Cayenne came out. That’s the point.
    Will Porsche under Piech continue to make blaspheme but profitable cashcows like the Cayenne? I guess so. Winterkorn is the man who started with the Q7. Also cars with shared components will increase. Since Winterkorn was in charge, Audi began to build whatever they could think with the same few platforms and engines.

    Looking at the health of the big manufacturers, I presume Audi/VW/Porsche did it the right way to stay in business, shame there has to be marketing behind every single car.

  56. Tak said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 9:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    @39: If Porsche took over VW I could have believed that. The other way ’round, no. Then again, there may be hidden agendas at work. CO2 legislation can’t be far off.
    So it doesn’t really matter if they don’t go in for electrified cars. Anybody for a Cayenne 220V? Don’t push… :(

  57. anth said...
    Saturday July 25, 2009 at 10:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Porsche or crap. Dodge viper r the best ahahah

  58. jamesmayjr said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 6:19 am Link to comment Report comment

    One word for Porsche – diversify… with the story turned on it’s head I see VW will definitely do this in the near future.

    Maybe some Porsche cars will be axed and some new ones emerge.

  59. Raiyan 1.0 said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 6:54 am Link to comment Report comment

    Well, if VW tries to earn a few buck with the Porsche brand, it’s not like Porsche hadn’t tried to do the same. Yes, I’m talkin’ about that God-forsaken Cayenne. And if Porsche is allowed to operate like Lamborghini, well, let’em. Remember how everyone moaned about the BMW takeover of Rolls? Don’ see anyone comlainin’ these days…

  60. chickenfeed said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 12:17 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Wobbletastic: Diseasel engine. LOL :)

  61. Anonymous said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 12:21 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Top Gear as great as it is does not have that much power over the buying public. Clarkson gave the vectra a drubbing and it still sold by the bucket load.

    Its an entertainment show, there are so many magazines (including their own) that can tell you about everyday cars would you seriously want to sit through an hour of somebody talking about cupholders in a mondeo and which car had the best seat upholstery. Fifth gear gets nearer to that and even they are borrowing ideas from top gear (bus racing anybody).

    GM was in part brought down by high staffing pension & health care costs a strong union strangle hold and dire products that nobody wanted to buy.

    Look at the EV1 as an example: ahead of its time, people fought tooth and nail to keep them once when the recall notice came and gm went and crushed them as they were more concerned with buying Hummer.

    Now lo and behold the prius, insight, tesla etal are going down a storm.

    VW on the otherhand have products that people want to buy so can’t see it going the same way anytime soon.

  62. Sweed said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 2:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Saw a motoring show back here in sweden couple a years ago, and they were trying out the old GT2 and the reporter at one stage said to the proffesional driver sitting along side: “You can really sense the old beetle feel”. I giggled because I thought about porsches proud heritage and all that. Somehow I do not think it’s amusing anymore…

  63. NOEL_BELFAST said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 2:22 pm Link to comment Report comment

    today VW are unbelieveable, they could do so much with Porsche. . .althought lets be honest, they must change the Golf back to the good old days an put the W12 into production :D

  64. D-man said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    come on porsche cheer up im sure you might end up like aston martin being sold a a single person when vw go bust I exaggerttate WHEN.

  65. Dickie Bo said...
    Sunday July 26, 2009 at 7:28 pm Link to comment Report comment

    As an Audi A4 driver, if VW do another “SEAT Exeo” with Porsche I’m going to have to buy myself a rifle, a scope, and a map to Germany.

    Frankly, for the SEAT Exeo, I’m being restrained NOT doing the above already….

  66. Nave Hayder said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 7:52 am Link to comment Report comment

    I really don’t think it’d make much of a difference, seeing as how VW has been running Lamb, Bentley and Audi with a good distinction for the past… whatever years.

  67. ariel said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 10:51 am Link to comment Report comment

    nave.. yes, you’re right, there is a distinction..there are however similarities.. you get the same steering wheel in an audi and a spec.golf as you do in a lambo, the seats are similar, air vents are the same, telemetry just to name a few and though the cars and the performances they provide are light years apart it is achingly obvious that the melting process is way past starting stages… and that I think is a bit irritating.. not so much for your avreage golf driver rather more for the lambo freak…

  68. ariel said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 10:55 am Link to comment Report comment

    ..imagine if the interrior of fezza’s latest would have strong resemblances to say that of the new punto.. it should simply not happen.

  69. anon said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 11:33 am Link to comment Report comment

    half of these comments are pointless, just because you dont like a specific manufacturer doesnt mean beans! porsche need all the design help they can get,at the moment they have 1 design, yes ONE, and they either inject it with botox to make a cayenne, or give it some liposuction to make a GT!!!

    if you like porsche you like porsche, and its not only the looks and interiors that would be of importance to you it would be the breeding, the pedigree and the very nature of the beast that entices you to spend your hard earned cash on one, not who owns the rights to the badging!

    innocent until proven guilty, lets give VW a chance and see wat happens…

  70. ariel said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 2:21 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ..70..Breed, pedigree?? looks are not important ?? sounds a bit brand obsessed..besides what breed ??? Cars, as far as I’m aware, are not bred but are designed and the concept engineered.. Hate to point it out but your comment is just as pointless as mine or all the other ones.. A porsche will still look like a porsche I’ve nbo doubts about that, hopefully it will remain to feel and drive like a porsche as well..for better or worse the model range might be extended and that’s where it could all go more vw’s ideas rather than porsches.. the shared platforms will def. up vw and audi sales but will leave your devoted porsche customer wondering what he’s actually paying for.. your avreage supercar or vw adds…

  71. mark said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    the worst thing that could happen since gordon brown

  72. seattleforge said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Maybe now we’ll finally see a good looking Porsche.

  73. hmmmmmmm said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Just so you know, the reason Porsche are so profitable isn’t from the number of cars they sell or the margin on each car.

    Its because of their financial fund management and trading part of their business. They actually tried to take over Porsche by buying Options on shares and not the shares themselves.

  74. Dickie Bo said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 9:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    ….. and the fact it’s £400 for a Porsche brand biro.

  75. andyp said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 10:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    The big Bentley is just the VW Phaeton. Great car, but not a Bentley.

  76. bored said...
    Monday July 27, 2009 at 11:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Ha Ha! You lot worried about how VW will ruin Porsche!! WHY? I would put money on it, VERY few of you could afford one! WHO CARES!!??

  77. Madness? This is TSI said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 7:57 am Link to comment Report comment

    VW took over Lamborghini and Bugatti also…I don’t think that that Gallardo is a Golf V or that Veyron is an A5… :-)

  78. Big Red Balls said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 12:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I used to have a VW ‘Porche’ Polo: 0 to 60 in just 4 seconds…but those figures just relate to how quickly it aged you – instant pensioner image lol

  79. greghalliday said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 5:50 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I think VW has destroyed porche but whats up with the manager of porches mustache.

  80. R said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 7:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    this is gd ppl! do you see a golf sized bentley? ok how about a Q5 rolls? no wait, i think thts a lambo passat across the street. just bacause porsche are being merged dont meant the end of the automotive industry as we no it! porshe are a respected world brand and therefore VW will leave it tht way.

  81. CRobbo said...
    Friday July 31, 2009 at 4:35 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Now i can believe Clarkson saying that the 911 is a squashed VW Beetle! Good god; what will happen with Porsche now? A Carrera GT with the Polo Bluemotion engine and the interior from a Jetta? I hope not.

  82. pcookie said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 11:46 am Link to comment Report comment

    A beetle with a 911 Turbo would be well funny

  83. Afcwimbledon2 said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 9:20 pm Link to comment Report comment

    God help you Porsche… you have either:

    A) Struck a gold Mine

    B) Struck fake cheese

  84. Gareth said...
    Monday August 3, 2009 at 4:13 am Link to comment Report comment

    PORSCHE HAVE THREE CHOICES……

    (A)FIGHT BACK AND TRY TO KEEP THEIR COMPANY AND LOSE ALL THEIR MONEY

    (B)SELL MAKE A FORTUNE AND LET VW MAKE A MESS OF IT

    OR(C)FLOG THE COMPANY AND START SELLING HEROINE AND COCAINE OUT OF THE BACK OF A CAYENNE!

  85. Mikeado said...
    Wednesday August 5, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I now fear for Porsche. A little.

    It is true that whilst the mainstream cars – Skoda, Seat the more prestige brands – Audi, Bugaiit, Lamborghini – have kept their character, although Audi has more than Lamborghini, just look at the Gallardo. But the Bentley Continental range is just a rebodied, turbocharged VW Phaeton. Even at Porsche, the Cayenne is basically a VW Touareg. Porsche make unique cars, and this will probably be compromised.

    Mind you, Dr. Piech is a man of intense precision, and Porsche’s cars share such a character, so they will probably still feel like Porsches. Plus the BlueSport would make a perfect platform for a second coming of the VW-Porsche 914 from the early ’70s. The 914/4 could have the top whack engine in the BlueSport’s range (likely to be the same 2.0 turbo 4 of the upcoming Golf and Scirocco R20), whilst the 914/6 could have a detuned Boxster/Cayman 2.9 engine. Any other comebacks might be iffy though. A 928 would just be a 2-door Panamera in essence, and I’m not sure where a 944 would come from. Audi A5 with RWD, perhaps?

    Well, either way, I thnik comment 84 said it right; Porsche have either stuck gold or cheese.

  86. Mikeado said...
    Wednesday August 5, 2009 at 12:05 pm Link to comment Report comment

    *Sorry, forgot to finish editing paragraph 2*

    It is true that whilst the mainstream cars – Skoda, Seat, have become VW clones with varying bodies and interiors, the more prestige brands – Audi, Bugatti, Lamborghini – have kept their character and individuality. (Although Audi has more than Lamborghini, just look at the Gallardo. It’s all sensible and has non-vertical doors and isn’t much wider at the back for crying out loud!) But the Bentley Continental range is just a rebodied, turbocharged VW Phaeton. Even at Porsche, the Cayenne is basically a VW Touareg. Porsche make unique cars (other than the SUV), and this will probably be compromised.

  87. twojags said...
    Wednesday August 5, 2009 at 10:18 pm Link to comment Report comment

    so now instead of porshe beeing exiting and a trip to thwe pirly gates it is going to be boring dull and with a 1.7 engine

  88. ben said...
    Monday August 10, 2009 at 7:06 pm Link to comment Report comment

    hopefully vw will completeley take control of porsche and do away with it as like clarkson said the flagship 911 look like a sqaushed vw beetle-porshe sucks!

  89. Jimmy said...
    Wednesday August 12, 2009 at 5:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I probably speak for a fair few people here when I say i thought VW and Porsche already did share platforms, so it will come as no surprise to see VW versions of Porsches and vice versa – Who cares. VW do platform sharing better than anyone because they get the platform right in the first place. I’m looking forward to maybe being able to afford a porsche in the future thanks to this.

  90. general motors said...
    Sunday August 16, 2009 at 10:56 am Link to comment Report comment

    its sort of a bad thing that vw bought porsche because 1:lots of porsches look good.2:porsches have a reasonably good speed.3:the interior will be different.if you look at the top gear leaderboards youll see that the carrera gt done 1.19.8 and the golf r32 it done a 1.30.2 or something like that.the point is porsche make some brilliant cars where as volstwagen doesnt but vw are the best at hatchbacks it might sound weird but maybe theyll make a good family car witch is affordable.

  91. KarMa said...
    Sunday August 16, 2009 at 7:43 pm Link to comment Report comment

    1- Porsche already owned (roughly) 30% of VW.
    2- Porsche wanted to buy VW off
    3- If the umpteenth car brand soap opera didn’t continue on while I was distracted (aka working), VW and Porsche melted ’cause big beetle brand didn’t have ’nuff cash to buy little beetle brand and have some to spare to develop next generation VW.. and because VW executives fought back, and because, since in the meantime the opel soap opera started, the German governemnt probably told everybody to forget about closing any of the German factories (but there’s not much transparency about what mrs.Merkel actually did tell probably any DE brand buyer).

    It’s doubtful that VW and Porsche don’t know what to do together, and above all what NOT to do, since they already made a couple of mistakes during the 70′s in their joint venture projects.

  92. it has not been said...
    Thursday August 20, 2009 at 9:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    porce could make a new car one that no longer resembles a beetle

  93. Thomson256 said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 1:57 am Link to comment Report comment

    I dont like thinking of what the cars are going to look like now.

  94. EARTH LOVER said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 10:24 am Link to comment Report comment

    What’s Copenhagen?

    The capital of Denmark, but you knew that. Commentators are billing the international negotiations in Copenhagen this December (officially known as COP15) as “the most important meeting mankind has ever had”.

    COP15 is the culmination of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) process, and it is supposed to produce a binding global agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by enough to prevent ‘dangerous anthropogenic interference’ in the climate.

    In practice, most countries agree that this means limiting global temperature rise to below 2˚C above pre-industrial temperatures. Above 2 degrees, it is believed that frightening feedback mechanisms in the climate system will kick in, causing warming to accelerate to a runaway pace that humanity will no longer be able to prevent by simply reducing our own greenhouse gas emissions. Pretty near every country in the world has signed up to the UNFCCC – which is a good start.

    The UNFCCC’s greatest achievement to date has been the Kyoto Protocol, which set binding targets for 37 industrialized countries and the European community for reducing greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. These targets amount to an average of five per cent cuts against 1990 levels over the five-year period 2008-2012. What happens after 2012 is what must be decided at COP15 in Copenhagen this year.

    Many scientists now believe that it is too late to achieve the primary UNFCCC goal. As Professor John Holdren, now President Obama’s science adviser, put it way back in 2006: “We have already passed the stage of dangerous climate change. The task now is to prevent catastrophic climate change.”

    Unfortunately the increasingly grim news from the scientific community has not meant that the world’s political leaders have knuckled down to work harder on reducing emissions. Far from it; worldwide emissions have been rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios predicted by the global authority on climate change, the IPCC. Meanwhile, we are almost no closer to reaching a deal at Copenhagen than we were 4 years ago when Kyoto came into force.

    At present, the very highest aspirations of any rich nation at COP15 would, if realised in full, give us a 50% chance of avoiding crossing the 2˚C threshold to runaway warming; yet we are very unlikely to achieve even this best-case scenario at Copenhagen.

    Most observers agree that the outcome at Copenhagen – and hence, perhaps, the future of civilization – will ultimately be determined by what the USA and China can manage to commit to between them. But the truth is every nation has a crucial role to play in the negotiations, from the powerhouses of the G8 richest economies to the poor, low-lying countries of AOSIS, the Alliance of Small Island States. Nothing less than a comprehensive global deal that is as strong as the science demands will do. All of humanity must agree a way to work together to avert this disaster – or else.

    The international politics of climate change, and the relative positions of the world’s nations – both with regard to one another and to the absolute targets dictated by the climate science – are fiendishly difficult to follow and understand. Even the delegations themselves can have a hard time keeping up.

  95. catersam r500 said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 10:42 am Link to comment Report comment

    PORSCHE COULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN OVER VW BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST SO BIG. AND I AM JUST FEELING SO CHATTY THAT I ONLY READ THE FIRST LINE!

  96. EARTH LOVER said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 1:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    We don’t need to see our options for responding to climate change as a narrow repertoire of lifestyle choices (lightbulbs etc) or lobbying the powerful to make changes on our behalf. We can change the world ourselves, starting with our own communities.

    Consumerism prefers to imagine society as an atomised sea of separate individuals all pursuing their own ends – a bleak and soulless every-man-for-himself vision that is a big part of the reason why we are in the mess we’re in.

    But there are different ways to imagine society. I prefer to see society as the joint product of everyone who chooses to actively participate in it – otherwise known as citizenship.

    The drastic changes needed to decarbonise our society will require something more than mere tweaking of our individual shopping habits. We currently live in a world that punishes sustainability and rewards high-carbon behaviours. Changing our consumption choices won’t fix the problem; we have to change the conditions in which those choices are made – and that means changing the world around us.
    Luckily lots of people have spotted all this as a brilliant way to move forwards and have got cracking already. From the Transition Towns movement to the Low Carbon Communities network, good people are getting together all over and starting the great work of rebuilding our society from the bottom up. Find out who’s doing what in your neighbourhood, and if nobody’s doing much, then maybe it’s time to get something started…

  97. hot air balloon said...
    Sunday August 23, 2009 at 9:03 pm Link to comment Report comment

    says that maybe now porshe’s can become good, nod so bloody awful!

    xx

  98. WTF? said...
    Tuesday August 25, 2009 at 8:52 am Link to comment Report comment

    Porsche has always been under the wing of VAG anyway until very recently when Porsche attempted the takeover. VAG never tried to influence Porsche’s design/development previously and the only platform sharing to occur was the Cayenne/Touareg: Both may be ugly but it’s still been an incredible profit maker for Porsche. Not to mention an engineering marvel that a 2.5 tonne machine can corner and brake so damned fast.

    Anyone who starts screaming on here “Oh my God, the evil VW group will destroy Porsche!!” clearly hasn’t ever looked at the intrinsic links between these two companies.

    Chill out, a 911 will always be 911.

    By the way quote 98, find a relevant forum for your nonsense: what are you doing in the TopGear forum if you feel so negatively about cars?!

  99. newcastle647 said...
    Saturday August 29, 2009 at 9:58 am Link to comment Report comment

    Porsche has some great supercars and sports cars even if VW take over porsche VW know how to make good supercars and sports cars as well.

  100. ericsvdub said...
    Saturday January 16, 2010 at 7:19 am Link to comment Report comment

    I think both VW and PORSCHE are going to make great sales. When they go into production.Porsche will make VW and Audi even better. Vw own’s all the greats car companies anyways.

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  103. driveit said...
    Thursday July 11, 2013 at 12:59 am Link to comment Report comment

    does this not seem to make sense in all ways/ after all vw beetle first then porsche 356..a flattened beetle…then 911 a slightly less flattened beetle with improved handling and power which has only continued because vwporsche 914 saved porsche from extinction. and as far as quality of porsche better than vw…well lets just say when you buy porsche you dont want to talk about the bad things when you spent all that money.

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