BMW CS lives! Kind of…

Posted by Paul Horrell at 10:25 am on Tuesday July 28, 2009

The lovely BMW CS four-door coupe isn’t dead yet. Or at least, its spirit lives on even though an actual production-car version of the CS concept was canned a few months back.
Foreman has been talking to senior BMW 7-Series engineers. They say that, just as all the other BMWs come in more than one bodystyle, the 7-Series should too.

So what about a 7-Series wagon, we said, not altogether in jest. After all, Audi showed a concept called Avantissimo. Nope, not suitable for the 7-Series, said our man, looking like he’d been given a lemon to suck.

And not a bigger version of the 5-Series GranTurismo idea? A sort of tall hatchback? Nope, no way. The 5GT is big enough, he said.

And not an M7? ‘No. We work closely with Alpina and the new B7 Biturbo is the car for sporty 7-Series customers. The top 7-Series customers want a luxury V12 [the new 760i].’

So what about a coupe? ‘It must have four doors.’ So we’re getting to something very close to the CS concept? ‘Something like that.’ So the CS isn’t dead, just on hold? ‘I’m hoping.’

The CS was officially killed back in the winter when it was some way along the production-development track. BMW was suddenly having a bad time financially and couldn’t justify something so expensive and counter to the zeitgeist.

But many of the people who engineer and market the 7-Series think there will eventually be a window for some range expansion, and a four-door saloon is the way to do it. It might not be as extravagant a car as the CS was, though.

And no doubt BMW will be watching the fate of the Porsche Panamera and Aston Rapide before it decides whether to jump in.

In the meantime, the 7-Series gets a petrol hybrid version this autumn. It uses the same mild hybrid system as Mercedes has used in its S400 petrol hybrid. The Merc hybrid uses a V6 for economy with the electric drive to add a bit of performance; BMW uses a V8 for performance, with the electric drive to add a bit of economy. A very different philosophy.

But neither the hybrid 7-Series nor S-Class will come to the UK. We get diesels, and the Germans think that’s enough for us. They’re probably right. The new 740d does 0-60 in about six seconds and over 40mpg in the (admittedly hopelessly over-optimistic) official cycle.

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  1. Stig's Irish Cousin said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 11:49 am Link to comment Report comment

    So they say that the range expansion will include a 4 door saloon? Isn’t the 7 series already a 4 door saloon! Not much of an expansion BMW, how about giving us a 4 door convertible, that would not be crass, ostentatious or vulgar in any way!

  2. USA said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I know the two nostrils is BMW’s signature, but when they are that huge it just seems like BMW is trying too much.

  3. W said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 2:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Why are you talking about it being “lovely”? It is hideous. Probably the ugliest car ever, along with the X5, X3 and X6…

  4. AK said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 3:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It’s downright terrible. BMW should stop making cars until they can design a proper one again.

  5. 42 said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 4:01 pm Link to comment Report comment

    great news, you’ll be able to order a BMW 7-series with an extra helping of ugly…

  6. geronimo said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 5:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    yes !!!!! :D I’d take this instead of the panamera any day..it’ll probably have the pee for breakfast as well… hope they opt to make it !!! what a brute !!! Love it !!!!!

  7. greghalliday said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 5:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    It looks amazing but is it going to compete with the other bmw’s!!!!!!!

  8. 120Y said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 5:51 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Nice looking car. Hope they make it.

  9. luke said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 6:04 pm Link to comment Report comment

    i think this car is the best in the world

  10. YankeeDoodle said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 6:11 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Okay, I’m confused.
    Isn’t this more like the 7-series? I mean, wouldn’t you rather buy the 7-series instead?

  11. MRstig653 said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 6:36 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Much better than the merc 4-door coupe. Great looking car.

  12. Tak said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 6:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Looks better then the 5 hatchback at least. And the Panamera, but that one’s easy. A Prius looks better then the Panamera.

  13. AudiDriver said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 7:29 pm Link to comment Report comment

    What the HELL did the designer thinking of when he designed the front of it?

    Its shokingly hidious! AWFUL!

    I thought the X6 was the worst creation but that is… It is actually that awful that I rather get into an horrible Marina as in that Nightmare on wheels, and when I say that, then it means something!

  14. Shiney White Teeth said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 8:32 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I would rather eat my own testicals than drive a car that ugly, the only people who drive cars like that have beards.

  15. CocksdrivePorsches said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Think of it this way would you want to sit next to a man who owned one?

  16. tom said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 10:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    What is the point in a sporty luxury saloon? it defeaats each purpose, a sporty car with soft bump absorbing suspension and leather seats and tvs in the headrests, and a luxury car that squats, burbles and slides it just doesn’t work. Like cooked ice cream.

  17. Vie said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 10:57 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Oh god, its like a damn Zombie this thing, shoot it once and it just gets back up and comes back towards you with its vacant stare and monotone moan. Shoot it in the head or kill it with fire already.

  18. RealMan said...
    Tuesday July 28, 2009 at 11:55 pm Link to comment Report comment

    As usual BMW have split opinion right down to the floor. But as usual when these moaners see the actual car in metal, and get deafened by the roar of that trademark BMW humm they would find the beast irresistable.CS- Cant wait!
    We thought X6 was ugly or the idea is daft. Who disagrees that it is the 4×4 to beat right now?
    The only car that can survive the unforgiving market even when it is ugly is BMWs. Others wont dare to look ugly, they would be dead!!!

  19. Evan (Mr. Nice) said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 12:09 am Link to comment Report comment

    Something I can never understand is why there are no diesel hybrids. It is pretty well known that there are more BTU’s per gallon in Diesel Fuel, and that diesel engines consume less gallons per hour for similar displacement. Couple those facts with the fact that a diesel typically produces a lot more torque than the equivalent gasoline engine, and I’m left questioning why that wouldn’t make more sense for creating electricity.

    Yes, the hybrid was meant to supplement the economy of a diesel for people who would prefer to use petrol or “gasoline”, but from an economy and performance (power, acceleration) aspect, the diesel hybrid market is certainly something you’d think would have been explored by now.

  20. 1Bond30 said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 12:19 am Link to comment Report comment

    lol i don’t care :L but it looks like a angry car that isn’t that pritty… i just dislike it as i do with most bmw’s….

    BUT good news lol clarkson has a vid on youtube and its awesome :L

    all of you will enjoy it i think

  21. Chile said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 4:43 am Link to comment Report comment

    Woooowww, increidible, se paso es la raja,
    it’s a little bit big 4 me , but it’s amaizing

  22. chickenfeed said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 8:42 am Link to comment Report comment

    Who cares about it’s spirit. Make the damn thing please. If instead of this BMW built the dreadful 5 Series GT than they have a sick sense of humour. It reminds me of the age when BMWs’ noses used to slant forwards slightly, like the first generation 6 series.

  23. Showie said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 9:44 am Link to comment Report comment

    why do they kill off a great looking car yet are able to go on and produce the ugliest SUV ever (X6), the X1 and the X3 as well as that funny looking 5 series GT. all very ugly looking cars… give us the CS.. and a new looking 1 series and create an M1.

  24. lUXURY DRIVER said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 11:01 am Link to comment Report comment

    this care mearly defeats the ends of being a luxury car, let alone a 7-series… rather bring a new line into the BMW stable than refer to it as a 7-series…

  25. tee said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 1:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    top gear could u make a family sports car a good 1 because a see most people driving crap family cars and bring back da v8

  26. misterf said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to comment Report comment

    this doesnt look ugly no way, its looking mean!
    i think its terrific, id have this over the 7series

  27. carking said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 2:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    the grill looks dreadful and look at the lights there just isn`t a way top describe them.the front of it looks like a rabbit with big eyes and a big mouth.anyone would take the merc clc 55 v8 kompressor or the audi rs4 than that lol

  28. ghrhdfgyyhuewreuhrf said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to comment Report comment

    you would be crazy to buy this car.the one problem:ist ugly.how many are getting put in production??if there was someone that bought that you would laugh at the car more than you would laugh at them.the verdict is:DREADFUL!carking is right anyone who didnt take the clc 55 or the rs4 and took that must be nuts!its like porsches the only reason you would take a boxster cause you couldnt afford a 911 or like lamborghini the only reason you would take a murcielago is cause you cant afford a reventon even ferrari you would only take an enzo cause you couldnt afford a ffx (even though some people couldnt tell the difference).

  29. 4sudut said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 3:48 pm Link to comment Report comment

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  30. StIgHeRe said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 3:53 pm Link to comment Report comment

    1. Why would you buy this car.
    2. Who would buy this car?
    3. Out of all the other BMW cars such as the 5 series what is the point?!
    Look at the grill :@ Awful!! Lights :@ Dreadful!!
    What were BMW thinking!!

    My opinion is that Jeremy, Richard, James and The Stig should design a BMW to get them back on the right tracks!! :)

  31. calligraphyart said...
    Wednesday July 29, 2009 at 4:02 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Too expensive.

    http://www.wavedancing.ne t

  32. some1 said...
    Thursday July 30, 2009 at 9:04 am Link to comment Report comment

    BMW should make a 7-series coupe,and not wait for the sales results of panamera and rapide.Mercedes has a s-klasee coupe and its called cl-klasee and it sales good

  33. cmblake6 said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 11:00 am Link to comment Report comment

    Oooo! Very nice! Were I wealthy enough to dream of one of those, I most assuredly would. Gorgeous!

  34. cmblake6 said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 11:03 am Link to comment Report comment

    For those complaining about the appearance. I note a very Aston-Martin flavor to the look. This is not a bad thing. IMHO, beautiful car.

  35. saretkhmerit said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 11:12 am Link to comment Report comment

    ខ្ញុំរីក ាយដែលលោ អ្នកចូលម កទស្សនាប លករបស់ខ ញុំ
    សូមទទួលន វការរិះ ន់ពីសំណា ក់មិត្តអ នកអាន គ្រប់មដ្ ដាន
    ការផ្លាស ប្តូរបទ ិសោធន៍ដ៍ មានប្រយោ ន៍​ខ្ញុ ពិតជាចង់ ដាក់នូវប រូរកាម ផ្សេងៗនៅ ្នុងវិប ាយរបស់ខ្ ញុំណាស់
    ប៉ុន្តែ ខ្ញុំមិន េះបញ្ចូ សោះសូមជួ យនែនាំផង ព្រោះខ្ញ ំមិនដែល ៀន​ពីការ ឌីសាញវិប ាយទេ

  36. saretkhmerit said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 11:13 am Link to comment Report comment

    ហាហា

  37. pcookie said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 11:42 am Link to comment Report comment

    This is a 7 series, but more bonkers and better looking. hope they do an M version!

  38. rrrrrrrrrrjfjjfgj said...
    Sunday August 2, 2009 at 12:38 pm Link to comment Report comment

    disgusting!!!i would take any other bmw than that.if someone bought that then they would eiter be completely crazy or just sad bmw wont hace a succsess with this.TOTAL RuBbIsH!!!!!!

  39. twojags said...
    Monday August 3, 2009 at 11:58 am Link to comment Report comment

    its a very berdy car look it even has a mustach to go with the bead

  40. Carfan3 said...
    Monday August 3, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to comment Report comment

    That CS concept is a beautiful car!!! I hope it sucdeeds well!!!

  41. Gilbert Gary said...
    Monday August 3, 2009 at 7:13 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Its a good concept car. Man Muscle is what i say with this new CS.

  42. Ali said...
    Wednesday August 5, 2009 at 12:24 am Link to comment Report comment

    HEEEEY HEYYYY, AND WATS THE PROB WITH THAT CAR? THE CS IS UGLY???? IF U SEE IT UGLY I BET YOU SEE THE PEUGEOT 206 SEDAN A MAGNIFICENT BEAUTY, face it, u critisize BMWs FOR NO REASON

  43. Mikeado said...
    Wednesday August 5, 2009 at 12:12 pm Link to comment Report comment

    Well I hope it bears strong resemblance to the CS concept. That’s a fine looking BMW. If only those wheels were production viable…

  44. Racing_Gti said...
    Thursday August 6, 2009 at 9:54 am Link to comment Report comment

    Your program is the best of the best. Big car but big machine this BMW is fast and confortable. Thanks and continue new series?

  45. callumlLambo said...
    Saturday August 8, 2009 at 3:48 pm Link to comment Report comment

    This car looks good but it just dosent fit in with any cars on the road it looks like some sort of future car with gadgets what you can sense people with like its made eyelids its absolutely bonkers!

  46. matyde said...
    Monday August 10, 2009 at 7:16 pm Link to comment Report comment

    looks a bit like zenvo st1

  47. callumlLambo said...
    Thursday August 13, 2009 at 11:24 am Link to comment Report comment

    i wnat guiness to do it more than last time

  48. BMWFan said...
    Monday August 17, 2009 at 9:19 am Link to comment Report comment

    BMW has got the design of the CS right- it looks like a BMW should. Cool too, right?

  49. lukeage9 said...
    Tuesday August 18, 2009 at 9:19 pm Link to comment Report comment

    I was expecting this to look rather odd, but I now think it looks great. Spectacular is a slightly over-used word, but I think this should be a success. But if I am slacking the A5 sportback off, is this the same thing? Should I be slacking this off? I’m not, because of it’s looks.

  50. j keetley said...
    Wednesday August 19, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to comment Report comment

    LOOKS COOL

  51. catersam r500 said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 10:08 am Link to comment Report comment

    I LIKE THEM ALLOYS BUT I WOULDNT SWAP MY DADS RX8-R3 FOR IT.

  52. EARTH LOVER said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 10:24 am Link to comment Report comment

    What’s Copenhagen?

    The capital of Denmark, but you knew that. Commentators are billing the international negotiations in Copenhagen this December (officially known as COP15) as “the most important meeting mankind has ever had”.

    COP15 is the culmination of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) process, and it is supposed to produce a binding global agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by enough to prevent ‘dangerous anthropogenic interference’ in the climate.

    In practice, most countries agree that this means limiting global temperature rise to below 2˚C above pre-industrial temperatures. Above 2 degrees, it is believed that frightening feedback mechanisms in the climate system will kick in, causing warming to accelerate to a runaway pace that humanity will no longer be able to prevent by simply reducing our own greenhouse gas emissions. Pretty near every country in the world has signed up to the UNFCCC – which is a good start.

    The UNFCCC’s greatest achievement to date has been the Kyoto Protocol, which set binding targets for 37 industrialized countries and the European community for reducing greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. These targets amount to an average of five per cent cuts against 1990 levels over the five-year period 2008-2012. What happens after 2012 is what must be decided at COP15 in Copenhagen this year.

    Many scientists now believe that it is too late to achieve the primary UNFCCC goal. As Professor John Holdren, now President Obama’s science adviser, put it way back in 2006: “We have already passed the stage of dangerous climate change. The task now is to prevent catastrophic climate change.”

    Unfortunately the increasingly grim news from the scientific community has not meant that the world’s political leaders have knuckled down to work harder on reducing emissions. Far from it; worldwide emissions have been rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios predicted by the global authority on climate change, the IPCC. Meanwhile, we are almost no closer to reaching a deal at Copenhagen than we were 4 years ago when Kyoto came into force.

    At present, the very highest aspirations of any rich nation at COP15 would, if realised in full, give us a 50% chance of avoiding crossing the 2˚C threshold to runaway warming; yet we are very unlikely to achieve even this best-case scenario at Copenhagen.

    Most observers agree that the outcome at Copenhagen – and hence, perhaps, the future of civilization – will ultimately be determined by what the USA and China can manage to commit to between them. But the truth is every nation has a crucial role to play in the negotiations, from the powerhouses of the G8 richest economies to the poor, low-lying countries of AOSIS, the Alliance of Small Island States. Nothing less than a comprehensive global deal that is as strong as the science demands will do. All of humanity must agree a way to work together to avert this disaster – or else.

    The international politics of climate change, and the relative positions of the world’s nations – both with regard to one another and to the absolute targets dictated by the climate science – are fiendishly difficult to follow and understand. Even the delegations themselves can have a hard time keeping up.

  53. Anastasios said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 11:13 am Link to comment Report comment

    I really really love this car!It looks stuning and it has a great V12 engine

  54. EARTH LOVER said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 1:44 pm Link to comment Report comment

    What’s Copenhagen?

    The capital of Denmark, but you knew that. Commentators are billing the international negotiations in Copenhagen this December (officially known as COP15) as “the most important meeting mankind has ever had”.

    COP15 is the culmination of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) process, and it is supposed to produce a binding global agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by enough to prevent ‘dangerous anthropogenic interference’ in the climate.

    In practice, most countries agree that this means limiting global temperature rise to below 2˚C above pre-industrial temperatures. Above 2 degrees, it is believed that frightening feedback mechanisms in the climate system will kick in, causing warming to accelerate to a runaway pace that humanity will no longer be able to prevent by simply reducing our own greenhouse gas emissions. Pretty near every country in the world has signed up to the UNFCCC – which is a good start.

    The UNFCCC’s greatest achievement to date has been the Kyoto Protocol, which set binding targets for 37 industrialized countries and the European community for reducing greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. These targets amount to an average of five per cent cuts against 1990 levels over the five-year period 2008-2012. What happens after 2012 is what must be decided at COP15 in Copenhagen this year.

    Many scientists now believe that it is too late to achieve the primary UNFCCC goal. As Professor John Holdren, now President Obama’s science adviser, put it way back in 2006: “We have already passed the stage of dangerous climate change. The task now is to prevent catastrophic climate change.”

    Unfortunately the increasingly grim news from the scientific community has not meant that the world’s political leaders have knuckled down to work harder on reducing emissions. Far from it; worldwide emissions have been rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios predicted by the global authority on climate change, the IPCC. Meanwhile, we are almost no closer to reaching a deal at Copenhagen than we were 4 years ago when Kyoto came into force.

    At present, the very highest aspirations of any rich nation at COP15 would, if realised in full, give us a 50% chance of avoiding crossing the 2˚C threshold to runaway warming; yet we are very unlikely to achieve even this best-case scenario at Copenhagen.

    Most observers agree that the outcome at Copenhagen – and hence, perhaps, the future of civilization – will ultimately be determined by what the USA and China can manage to commit to between them. But the truth is every nation has a crucial role to play in the negotiations, from the powerhouses of the G8 richest economies to the poor, low-lying countries of AOSIS, the Alliance of Small Island States. Nothing less than a comprehensive global deal that is as strong as the science demands will do. All of humanity must agree a way to work together to avert this disaster – or else.

    The international politics of climate change, and the relative positions of the world’s nations – both with regard to one another and to the absolute targets dictated by the climate science – are fiendishly difficult to follow and understand. Even the delegations themselves can have a hard time keeping up

  55. EARTH LOVER said...
    Friday August 21, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to comment Report comment

    We don’t need to see our options for responding to climate change as a narrow repertoire of lifestyle choices (lightbulbs etc) or lobbying the powerful to make changes on our behalf. We can change the world ourselves, starting with our own communities.

    Consumerism prefers to imagine society as an atomised sea of separate individuals all pursuing their own ends – a bleak and soulless every-man-for-himself vision that is a big part of the reason why we are in the mess we’re in.

    But there are different ways to imagine society. I prefer to see society as the joint product of everyone who chooses to actively participate in it – otherwise known as citizenship.

    The drastic changes needed to decarbonise our society will require something more than mere tweaking of our individual shopping habits. We currently live in a world that punishes sustainability and rewards high-carbon behaviours. Changing our consumption choices won’t fix the problem; we have to change the conditions in which those choices are made – and that means changing the world around us.
    Luckily lots of people have spotted all this as a brilliant way to move forwards and have got cracking already. From the Transition Towns movement to the Low Carbon Communities network, good people are getting together all over and starting the great work of rebuilding our society from the bottom up. Find out who’s doing what in your neighbourhood, and if nobody’s doing much, then maybe it’s time to get something started…

  56. REDneck said...
    Tuesday August 25, 2009 at 12:38 am Link to comment Report comment

    I drive an old v8, a range rover.. and I’m an earth lover ! I’ve got the bumper sticker to prove it !!!

  57. REDneck said...
    Tuesday August 25, 2009 at 12:46 am Link to comment Report comment

    I have a couple of friends with a passion for some good old fashioned off roading.We keep to the fields and try not to bother anybody. We’re thinking of starting a club and since we do most of the wheeling in the mud we’re calling it EarthLovers..We’re all on benefit but we’re really good friends. Can we get some funding or some petrol please ??

  58. REDneck said...
    Tuesday August 25, 2009 at 12:49 am Link to comment Report comment

    ..we like the bottoms up idea and know who is up to what in the ‘hood… promise !! Hell we’ll even grow beards !!!

  59. hi said...
    Wednesday August 26, 2009 at 2:24 pm Link to comment Report comment

    what a car that is

    i would be great to own one of them

  60. Boydo15 said...
    Friday August 28, 2009 at 3:54 pm Link to comment Report comment

    how horrible is this? it’s just another example of how bored the bmw desginers are.

  61. newcastle647 said...
    Saturday August 29, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to comment Report comment

    BMW are one of the best car desiginers there is and that is a cool car

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    Sunday August 30, 2009 at 2:30 pm Link to comment Report comment

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  63. Weird Al said...
    Sunday October 4, 2009 at 5:19 am Link to comment Report comment

    Did anyone say Bimmers are untouchable?!
    Yes, and no…
    After 6 years spent with 2-door 320i, I’m loathe to recall this brand. Most horrifyingly, it was not my fault. I wanted that Volvo 340 GLT, seriously – it was 1991, after all. But with seats worth that TV watching sofa, engine, refusing to roll up, and suspension, melancholically deciding whether to go rough or to laze a little bit more, and more, and more, and more, and more … that gearshift like decomposing in the hand … I tell you – who says ‘BMW’, must explain to me why.

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